1 yr offsick now for dismissal. urgent help pls.

dmg24

a_p_p_l_e wrote: »

is it inappopriate to request for another rep?

You are more than entitled to request another rep, but I can't see it doing any good. Perhaps you should make a list of questions you need clarifying and email your rep, so you have the answers in writing.

a_p_p_l_e wrote: »

sorry... jumping keyboard.

HR said theres none. and only 4 weeks is alloted for redeployment. thats why my case will go to hearing for dismissal...

but when i checked the vacancies, i found suitable role for me in another department. i have to apply and go for interview to get the post which i dont particularly like as i have been off work for more than a year and i dont have any clue about updates which they normally ask in the interview. i have also been traumatised with my previous job interview with 10 people applyingfor the same post.

I agree with CFC here, traumatised by applying for a job? In the current job market there can be hundreds of applicants for one position!

Have you asked HR about the other position(s) you saw advertised?

I used to work in the NHS, and chose to leave as a result of my disability, but I have to say they have one of the most transparent and fair long term absence policies you will find. Most employers would have managed you out after six months or less.

a_p_p_l_e

CFC wrote: »

I'm sorry Apple, get a grip on reality and stop talking about being traumatised at having to apply for a job. You can't do the job you were employed for, and therefore you need either to find another job within the organisation or be dismissed. If there are suitable job you can apply for them, nobody is just going to give you one because it is clearly not an exact match to your current job - if it was then you would also be unable to do that job too for health reasons.

I can't comment on the union rep however possibly you could consult your local branch for another viewpoint?

thanks for your view CFC. i was traumatised as i was made to believe that i will get the job and that they will help me, when in fact they didnt. in my opinion they are just trying to cover themselves (work) just in case i hurt my back again plus they dragged my case this long and just set me aside in the end... so when they say redeployment, it means that i have to look for another job myself.. whilst where i work, if another department is short of staff, they can just send you to that deparment w/o questioning your capabilities.

dmg24

a_p_p_l_e wrote: »

thanks for your view CFC. i was traumatised as i was made to believe that i will get the job and that they will help me, when in fact they didnt. in my opinion they are just trying to cover themselves (work) just in case i hurt my back again plus they dragged my case this long and just set me aside in the end... so when they say redeployment, it means that i have to look for another job myself.. whilst where i work, if another department is short of staff, they can just send you to that deparment w/o questioning your capabilities.

That is how redeployment works - they will not create a position for you, nor will they appoint you before someone more suitable for the role.

a_p_p_l_e

dmg24 wrote: »

You are more than entitled to request another rep, but I can't see it doing any good. Perhaps you should make a list of questions you need clarifying and email your rep, so you have the answers in writing.



I agree with CFC here, traumatised by applying for a job? In the current job market there can be hundreds of applicants for one position!

i am aware of that. what i cannot understand is why give the job to someone outside the trust when there is someone (their employee) within the trust who needs it. with my long sickness and no help on anything. i feel useless and failure in that interview is really traumatic for me.

Have you asked HR about the other position(s) you saw advertised?

it was me who found the position not HR. HR just keep on saying theres no job vacancies.

I used to work in the NHS, and chose to leave as a result of my disability, but I have to say they have one of the most transparent and fair long term absence policies you will find. Most employers would have managed you out after six months or less.

long term absence policies i cannot fault them. but redeployment is really more of their benefit not the staff in my opinion.

a_p_p_l_e

dmg24 wrote: »

That is how redeployment works - they will not create a position for you, nor will they appoint you before someone more suitable for the role.

so it means i have no case then?

i waited almost six months for them on their terms. if i would have known before that it will end up to this then i would have given up long time ago and applied somewhere else. such a waste of time and salary that could really have help me.

dmg24

If someone from outside the Trust is more suited to a role, they should be given the role.

I did not say HR found the role, but they must be aware of it if it exists. You have asked them about the role in question?

Redeployment is a fair policy. If you are not the best candidate for a role you should not be given it, irrespective of your personal circumstances.

I am concerned of your use of the word traumatic and think you really need to put things into perspective. Seriously, it is an interview, not a life or death situation.

dmg24

a_p_p_l_e wrote: »

so it means i have no case then?

i waited almost six months for them on their terms. if i would have known before that it will end up to this then i would have given up long time ago and applied somewhere else. such a waste of time and salary that could really have help me.

According to your first post you were declared fit for work three months ago, not six.

You need to apply where there is a job that is suitable for you, but that in your Trust, another part of the NHS or elsewhere.

a_p_p_l_e

dmg24 wrote: »

If someone from outside the Trust is more suited to a role, they should be given the role.

I did not say HR found the role, but they must be aware of it if it exists. You have asked them about the role in question?

Redeployment is a fair policy. If you are not the best candidate for a role you should not be given it, irrespective of your personal circumstances.

I am concerned of your use of the word traumatic and think you really need to put things into perspective. Seriously, it is an interview, not a life or death situation.

i have raised the question to HR and all he could say is sorry he didnt know about it and havent seen it whilst in fact the vacancies has been posted for couples of weeks already. that is why i feel neglected.

i am trying my best to put things in perspective and trying to get more input and be knowledgeable about it thats why im here cos its seriously a matter of life and death for me. i have no means of income and i have used my savings and way behind rent. and if this hearing will go for another 6 months, i dont know where i will find myself.

almost six months i have been trying to go back to work but occupational health doctor wanted me to be seen by specialist (which took about 2 months) before going back to work. and when a meeting is about to come, one person cannot make it or is off sick or is on annual leave therefore prolong delays.

dmg24

It is not a matter of life or death - I find it unbelievable that a nurse would make such a silly statement. If you have no income then you need to claim benefits.

You have not been neglected, you asked a question to someone who did not know the answer. So your response should be 'Can I apply for this position?'. If the person does not know, ask them who will be able to give you an answer.

I'm sorry to be harsh, but you are acting like a child. You need to start taking responsibility for your own future and stop blaming everybody else.

Zazen999

Go back to your union and ask for a meeting with another rep.

At that meeting; you need to discuss HOW you get answers to the following:

What experience or skills would you have needed in order to secure that role that you were turned down for?

What experience or skills would you need to secure a position in any of the roles [and list them] that are currently being recruited for?

What are the forms that you have signed, and what do they mean?

Would it be possible to be seconded onto another role, and to come back to your old role in [say] a year's time?

How does the redeployment policy work in your institution, and how would you be able to transfer to another role; is there anything that you could do to secure any other role within the organisation?

What other support could the union give, and how do you access that support?

How many other people are in this situation, and are the union dealing with the issue at a higher level with HR; or on a one-to-one basis, and if the latter, is there another way of doing this?


Don't whine, winge or moan - take control and act professionally and demand answers - after all - you have paid the dues and you should demand that they support you.