Alton Towers and disabled people

sheeps68

I suppose if thy extend disability concessions to blue badge owners it gives a concession to more people on the whole but not all those who need a concession of someone with them qualify.

Also it would reduce the need for blue badge parking as you cant park in these spaces with a clean conscience and then take your badge into the park with you.

HB58

sheeps68 wrote: »

Also it would reduce the need for blue badge parking as you cant park in these spaces with a clean conscience and then take your badge into the park with you.

I have run into this problem elsewhere. I need to show my blue badge in order to get a concession - but said badge is on display in the car so that I can prk in disabled bay. If it is just a short distance I make Mr H run out to car for badge, and then run back!

grummps

L0RRY wrote: »

no, all they'd need to do is forge a dla letter in their own name (totally simple & quick with a pc) so they wouldnt have to forge any id

eerrr yes, but how would they forge any backing ID to go with it then?

This is a stupid conversation and has nothing to do with the original question.

grummps

LimeLight wrote: »

The photos are scanned onto the BB's now.

I thought that they had uprated their security - about time too.

You just wouldn't believe what documents are forged today. The only one that I haven't seen altered/copied is the over 60's bus pass of all things.

grummps

Anubis wrote: »

No, your photo is on a BB as well you know Andy

?????????

I don't have a Blue Badge. What makes you think I have?

And while we are at it, my name is not Andy.

Tiddlywinks

grummps wrote: »

To be honest I haven't seen the new badges. Those that were issued up the start of this year are very simple to alter.

Why would i know?

Because part of my job with the government was to know how forms of ID could be altered.

Mind you the easiest way to get a cosher BB was to get someone to apply for a replacement to their genuine one telling the council that it had been stolen or lost. The original BB then goes onto the market for alteration, whilst the duplicate genuine one stays with the genuine claimant.

grummps wrote: »

I thought that they had uprated their security - about time too.

You just wouldn't believe what documents are forged today. The only one that I haven't seen altered/copied is the over 60's bus pass of all things.

... and did they also point out to you (whilst doing your important 'government' work) that you should refrain from making any public statements about those methods used?

By telling people how to fake a document (based on information gained in your public service employment) then you will likely have breached the Official Secrets Act - all so that you can impress a bunch of strangers on an internet forum!

The method you quoted may not have occured to the readers here... but it's 'out there' now isn't it?

Very professional!

L0RRY

grummps wrote: »

eerrr yes, but how would they forge any backing ID to go with it then?

This is a stupid conversation and has nothing to do with the original question.

they wouldnt need to forge any backing id, theyd be using their own along with the forged dla letter IN THEIR OWN NAME.

grummps

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

... and did they also point out to you (whilst doing your important 'government' work) that you should refrain from making any public statements about those methods used?

By telling people how to fake a document (based on information gained in your public service employment) then you will likely have breached the Official Secrets Act - all so that you can impress a bunch of strangers on an internet forum!

The method you quoted may not have occured to the readers here... but it's 'out there' now isn't it?

Very professional!

I wasn't attempting to impress anybody. I was only pointing out how easy it is to forge certain documents.

As for the OS Act, I doubt that what I have said is actually covered by those regulations. No names were used, no addresses or any other means of identifying anybody.

If people want to carry out these frauds - good luck to them. There is a lot more fraud and deception going on at the moment than to start worrying if Aunty Mabel's BB has been cloned!

Tiddlywinks

grummps wrote: »

I wasn't attempting to impress anybody. I was only pointing out how easy it is to forge certain documents.

As for the OS Act, I doubt that what I have said is actually covered by those regulations. No names were used, no addresses or any other means of identifying anybody.

If people want to carry out these frauds - good luck to them. There is a lot more fraud and deception going on at the moment than to start worrying if Aunty Mabel's BB has been cloned!

No - you're confusing the DPA and the OSA - the DPA requires a person's details to be specific enough for them to be identifiable to make it an offence.

The OSA covers methodology:

You told us how to fraudulently obtain a blue badge which you said was information obtained whilst carrying out official duties.

Section 4.2. (a)(i) makes it an offence to disclose any information that might be used in the commission of an offence and 4.2. (a) (iii) is about impeding the prevention of an offence...

Bottom line? Any information gained though your official duties should not be shared on a public forum.

grummps

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

No - you're confusing the DPA and the OSA - the DPA requires a person's details to be specific enough for them to be identifiable to make it an offence.

The OSA covers methodology:

You told us how to fraudulently obtain a blue badge which you said was information obtained whilst carrying out official duties.

Section 4.2. (a)(i) makes it an offence to disclose any information that might be used in the commission of an offence and 4.2. (a) (iii) is about impeding the prevention of an offence...

Bottom line? Any information gained though your official duties should not be shared on a public forum.

Just in the pub then?