Civil Service Redundancies

Golden_Anemone

Dorothy, of course that law was unfair but it was the law and until it was changed she couldn't vote. My point is that if a woman turned up at a polling station and demanded to be allowed to vote was it the fault of the civil servant who wouldn't let her that she couldn't? Of course it wasn't.

I believe you are on a database held by DVLNI but that doesn't change the fact that they have an obligation under the law as enacted by Parliament to carry out certain identity checks.

I agree that many less than competent people get promoted within the civil service. Like a lot of large organisations it's imperfect in many ways. It doesn't however follow that the civil service is wrong for carrying out the tasks it is required to by legislation.

NAR

debmin39 wrote: »

well contacted my department to make enquiries regarding my career break and unfortunately they were as useful as a chocolate teapot!! they said could not forsee what vacancies would arise or when so if i vow to return now i may or may not get placed! as for taking voluntary redunancy knew nothing about this!! so im no better off agggg!!

Are you a member of NIPSA debmin? If so your rep might to be able to get better information for you.

lurkerlurk

dot.bargain wrote: »

From the top down the civil service if flawed, only in the civil service can the under achiever get promoted with the 7 year rule....says it all really. Sit on your back side for 7 years, dont worry you'll get your chance of promotion!

7 year rule?

I've been in the Civil Service a while now and never heard of this rule. I've been in my grade for longer than seven years so if it is just a matter of letting personnel (HrConnect) know then I will be straight onto them pending your advice.

bingo_bango

lurkerlurk wrote: »

7 year rule?

I've been in the Civil Service a while now and never heard of this rule. I've been in my grade for longer than seven years so if it is just a matter of letting personnel (HrConnect) know then I will be straight onto them pending your advice.

Absolutely!

Tell us where you got this info dot, as my 4 years of working in HR in NICS obviously didn't entail my being privy to this information. I shall be onto the G7 tout suite when you tell me what it is I need to ask.

Now it used to be the situation that if you were in a particular grade for more than 6 years, then you were automatically entitled to be INTERVIEWED for a post at the next grade, but there was no automatic progression based on length of service. That only happens in parts of the private sector.

Snoozle

This happens every time the civil service is mentioned on these boards, or anywhere else for that matter, the constant bickering between those in the private sector who think the civil service is an easy life, and those in the public sector who feel they are unfairly accused of being a waste of space.

Surely the truth lies somewhere in the middle? Some civil servants are lazy, and do the bare minimum - this is their own failing. Some civil servants have been assigned tasks to do that to most people seem largely pointless - this is not their own failing this is a failing of government. Who could honestly say that if they were looking for work, to pay their bills, that they wouldn't apply for the civil service on a point of principle, because its too big/too inefficient? Some people want to work in the public sector (often women with families, as it is one of the most flexible employers) but honestly, most people who work there just want a job, and it so happens that in NI that's where a lot of the work is.

And as for the argument 'in the private sector, heads would roll if people did so little work', is this honestly true? I have worked most of my life in the private sector, and I have seen this behaviour constantly, and have never seen anyone sacked for it. As another poster said, people like this don't change, no matter where they work, and they always seem to get away with it, whilst harder working colleagues suffer. Until employment law can satisfactorily come up with a way of dealing with this problem, its here to stay, in private and public sector.

groove_11

debmin39,

dont worry about your status, a career breaker is considered an employee as much as those still employed- para 17.19 of the special leave policy states: In a redundancy or early severance situation, if you are on a career break you will be considered under the same terms as serving members of staff.

there may not be any jobs available as yet but they still have to offer 3 jobs before dismissing. As long as you say that you wish to return your employment will not be terminated.

NAR

I heard today that DOE staff, aged 55 plus with over 25 years service are to be offered early retirement. No more details than that I'm afraid.

minnie03_2

I heard today that DOE staff, aged 55 plus with over 25 years service are to be offered early retirement. No more details than that I'm afraid.

Age 55 with 35 years service is one possibility- have to reach the magic number of 90 ie age plus service

Witless

I saw an email about this - I'm reasonably certain it was 55 with 25 years plus; if I remember I'll check my deleted items on Monday.

Witless

............. and AFAIK the 'magic number' is for 'normal' retirement not Premature Voulntary Retirement; IIRC the Civil Service (Imperial & NICS) don't 'do' redundancy but you can retire prematurely ............... voluntarilly, of course.

Again, IIRC, when the Imperial Civil Service downsized during/after demilitarisation the magic age was 52 with no qualifying service restriction.