Free solar panel discussion

John_Pierpoint

ronlizpatsimon wrote: »

"Cardew", I do not remember noticing any restrictions on the house roof with a free installation (as apposed to a paid for installation).
No doubt you will enlighten me!

I'm not sure what this refers to BUT if you have two people involved in a transaction (Owning the panels means the owner and the electricity company) the possibilities for conflict and delay are:

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Now add another legal party with control over your loft and a charge on your Land Registry entry and you have these chances for agreement.
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I will leave you to work out the other permutations.

When it comes to the roof, it will be a bit like living in a flat rather than a house.

Cardew

ronlizpatsimon wrote: »

"Cardew", I do not remember noticing any restrictions on the house roof with a free installation (as apposed to a paid for installation).
No doubt you will enlighten me!

Well if you didn't notice them, I suggest you get a lawyer to look at the agreement before you sign.

or look at the many posts on this subject in MSE.

Or do you feel that a firm would spend £10,000ish installing a system without legally safeguarding that investment?

ronlizpatsimon

Cardew, you are just avoiding giving a simple answer. No need to go into detail. What briefly are the disadvantages, legally, of "rent a roof" (compared to ones own installation)

Zenoka

ronlizpatsimon wrote: »

Cardew, you are just avoiding giving a simple answer. No need to go into detail. What briefly are the disadvantages, legally, of "rent a roof" (compared to ones own installation)

We considered the free systems and looked into it in detail.

First thing is, I would not sign up with a company that puts a charge on your property. All that is needed is for the lease to be registered at the land registry, there is no need what so ever for a charge.

Legally, the rent a roof company has the right to use your roof space for 25 years. When/if you decide to sell the new buyer will have to take on the remainder of the lease, this should be no different to any other form of lease and is fairly common.

Hope that helps!

ronlizpatsimon

Thanks for that "Zenoka".

What is the difference between a "charge" and a "lease" notification.

Presumably both are a legal agreement so that the installers have the right to access their equipment so that they can continue to receive the FIT payments. Seems reasonable to me as I cannot envisage the need to use my roof for any other purpose than to keep the heat in and the rain out.

I do not have a mortgage.

grahamc2003

At last I have found something positive with regards solar panels in general. Just been reading about a great clip-on device which is more or less what has been discussed as necessary on here. It monitors the amount of power generated, and the amount used in the house, then uses the surplus to heat the hot water tank in a novel way. You simply clip it onto the downlink wire from the solar array, and it does the rest.

It looks like everyone then gets 100% usage, and stops all the bickering on here. I'm usually sceptical of these things, but this is from the green research insitute in Switerland, so it looks genuine. In their blurb, they say that they hope FITs will be doubled for those taking it up. It'scalled the Eco-wave, amd it simply monitors the surplus solar generation, and emits eco waves (a bit like
higher frequency xrays, which are activated only when they hit a copper tank full of water, which they then heat. You can also buy a copper kettle, which you just fill with cold water, and when there's solar energy being exported, the eco waves will heat that to 99 degrees, just right for making tea.
To prove when it is working, it gives a readout of how much money you are saving at any point in time, and this can be set as required to high low or medium. At high it will display random readings between 50p and 150p per hour, on low 20p to 100p per hour, which ensures satisfaction for those who like to monitor their savings.

There isn't a price yet, but it looks like it'll go for around £99.99, with a free 'Give me an eco wave!!!!' sticker and a free 125 year guarantee. The payback time with doubled FIT payments is only 7.5 days. Good news at last!

Zenoka

grahamc2003 wrote: »

At last I have found something positive with regards solar panels in general. Just been reading about a great clip-on device which is more or less what has been discussed as necessary on here. It monitors the amount of power generated, and the amount used in the house, then uses the surplus to heat the hot water tank in a novel way. You simply clip it onto the downlink wire from the solar array, and it does the rest.

It looks like everyone then gets 100% usage, and stops all the bickering on here. I'm usually sceptical of these things, but this is from the green research insitute in Switerland, so it looks genuine. In their blurb, they say that they hope FITs will be doubled for those taking it up. It'scalled the Eco-wave, amd it simply monitors the surplus solar generation, and emits eco waves (a bit like
higher frequency xrays, which are activated only when they hit a copper tank full of water, which they then heat. You can also buy a copper kettle, which you just fill with cold water, and when there's solar energy being exported, the eco waves will heat that to 99 degrees, just right for making tea.
To prove when it is working, it gives a readout of how much money you are saving at any point in time, and this can be set as required to high low or medium. At high it will display random readings between 50p and 150p per hour, on low 20p to 100p per hour, which ensures satisfaction for those who like to monitor their savings.

There isn't a price yet, but it looks like it'll go for around £99.99, with a free 'Give me an eco wave!!!!' sticker and a free 125 year guarantee. The payback time with doubled FIT payments is only 7.5 days. Good news at last!

Great April Fools!! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I wish there was actually such a device, we would love to have one!

ronlizpatsimon

Now let me see what todays date is..........

grahamc2003

ronlizpatsimon wrote: »

Now let me see what todays date is..........

I check the date most days when I read this thread!

Zenoka

ronlizpatsimon wrote: »

Thanks for that "Zenoka".

What is the difference between a "charge" and a "lease" notification.

Presumably both are a legal agreement so that the installers have the right to access their equipment so that they can continue to receive the FIT payments. Seems reasonable to me as I cannot envisage the need to use my roof for any other purpose than to keep the heat in and the rain out.

I do not have a mortgage.

A charge is what a lender/mortgage company will place on your property to protect their stake in the property. You could argue that when you have a mortgage its really the bank that own your house. So a charge will protect a lenders financial stake in the property to ensure they can get their money back if you sell. I think sometimes the courts can impose a charge following a CCJ.

For the free solar companies they have not put any money into your property, they are just leasing the roof. Any leases greater than 7 years must be registered at the land registry. As they are taking a 25 year lease they have to send a copy the LR for it to be recorded.

So basically, registering a lease just means sending a copy to the land registry.