UK Population to grow 25%, Britain biggest country in Europe by 2050

Kohoutek

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The evidence is absolutely clear, immigration....increases wealth

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Great for the economy and house prices.

So you're saying immigration is good because it increases the wealth of people that own lots of assets....

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

and drives up wages.

If the aggregate supply of labour goes up (through higher immigration), then surely the aggregate price of labour (wages) will go down, not up?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

marklv wrote: »

The fact remains that pumping more people into the country will take away jobs from the native workforce.

Wow. Are you really that stupid?

Do you think the supply of jobs remains static with a growing population?

Nooooo....... You're pulling my leg, right? I mean, you have to be kidding.... Nobody can be that ignorant, surely?

marklv

What I find most nauseating is that both the Marxist Left and the Capitalist Right are best buddies when it comes to immigration. No wonder support for the BNP has grown! At least when Thatcher was around there were politicians like Tebbit, who recognised the social dangers of immigration.

marklv

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Wow. Are you really that stupid?

Do you think the supply of jobs remains static with a growing population?

So where are all these magnificent jobs going to come from? Are you saying that all immigrants have £1M+ each to splash out and are here to start new businesses? Unfortunately this is far from the case. The immigrants will come here largely to take jobs, not create them.

As for growing the population, that growth should come from within, not from outside.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Kohoutek wrote: »

If the aggregate supply of labour goes up (through higher immigration), then surely the aggregate price of labour (wages) will go down, not up?

One more time......

Over the period considered, the real
hourly wage grew by an average of 18 pence per
year at the first decile. Without immigration,
this figure would have been 0.7 pence higher.

Further up the wage distribution, immigration
added about 1.5 pence per year to real hourly
wage growth at the median, and 2.3 pence at the
ninth decile.

kabayiri

I have been involved with several national contact centre releases over the last year.

I bet Hamish's cost/benefit analysis figures don't include the costs of providing IVR and telephone lines dedicated to numerous languages like Farsi, plus the cost of dedicated translators and duplicating all the booklets and media. I bet he doesn't realise the number of languages to be supported for the upcoming Census. This is all costs that we all have to fork out for.

I'm all for immigration. To be specific :-
- I want the small handful of guys and gals that created google to be a world class brand in a decade and a half
- I want the people behind facebook
- I want the people behind Apple and Oracle
- I want the guys at Honda behind the FCX clarity

I'll pass on the world class cleaners and fruit pickers if it's okay with you.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

marklv wrote: »

So where are all these magnificent jobs going to come from? Are you saying that all immigrants have £1M+ each to splash out and are here to start new businesses? Unfortunately this is far from the case. The immigrants will come here largely to take jobs, not create them.

Oh dear....

I'm going to try and explain this very simply, in the hope you understand.

A population of 1 million people requires a certain number of doctors, taxi drivers, chefs, shop assistants, bank managers, solicitors, lorry drivers, toilet cleaners, teachers, etc....

In a developed economy, efficiency and productivity already run at close to maximum levels.

So when population increases, so does the number of jobs required to support that population, more or less in direct proportion to the growth of population.

You can argue around the edges about efficiencies of scale, or surplus capacity in the couple of years after a recession, but broadly speaking it holds true that 2 million people require almost twice the number of people to service them as one million people do.

This is why unemployment has remained at more or less constant levels in percentage terms even when population has increased greatly over the last few decades. And some level of unemployment (spare capacity in the labour pool) is necessary to prevent excessive inflation anyway.

Now that we've dealt with the employment issue, lets move onto services......

Again, very simply, the amount of tax that a person pays in their adult working lifetime broadly speaking has to pay for the services consumed in the three stages of their life.

1. Childhood.
2. Working life.
3. Retirement.

A significant percentage of immigrants come here as young adults, meaning that our society does not have to pay for their childhood. Yet these people, who by definition cost the state less than the native born population, do not receieve a discount on their tax despite the fact we bear none of the costs of their childhood medical care, education, university, etc.

Which is one of the big reasons why immigrants as a group use far less services than native born people do, and cost the state significantly less money over the cost of a lifetime.

Immigrants are a net financial gain to society. They subsidise the native born population, not the other way around.

As for growing the population, that growth should come from within, not from outside.

Xenophobia is a recognised psychiatric illness. You should speak to your doctor. :cool:

System

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Wow. Are you really that stupid?

Do you think the supply of jobs remains static with a growing population?

Nooooo....... You're pulling my leg, right? I mean, you have to be kidding.... Nobody can be that ignorant, surely?

On the plus side someone must have taught him the word pseudo in the last week, 3 times in one post. I hope it wasn't a filthy foreigner, I only like white english people!! grrrrr!!!

Malcolm.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

In a developed economy, efficiency and productivity already run at close to maximum levels.

Have you not heard of the public sector?

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh dear....

I'm going to try and explain this very simply, in the hope you understand.

Don't patronise people Hamish.

I haven't always agreed with Marklv, but I don't feel the need to treat him like a 4 year old.

It makes you look like a t*sser in truth.