Let's help Duncan Smith - how would YOU improve the benefits system?

jamespir

Sibley wrote: »

It's drastic I know but I'd execute all prisoners who will never be released, mentally insane people,seriously disabled,gypsies and child sex offenders. Any old people in care who can't look after themselves as well.

Next, state run homes for unmarried mothers (not from divorces just young girls going the dole/flat route). Make them work for their keep.

National service for anyone in the UK. Don't like it? Against religon? Tough go to country where you are welcome.

Unemployed to work doing community work for their money.

Repatriate anyone who breaks the law. No more immigration and no more European dossers turning up here.

Start with that lot.

thats just sick youll be an old person soon and you cant guarentee youll not end up in a home

people with mental illness can be cured -in fact i find your comments very offensive

bendix

Sibley wrote: »

It's drastic I know but I'd execute all prisoners who will never be released, mentally insane people,seriously disabled,gypsies and child sex offenders. Any old people in care who can't look after themselves as well.

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Sigh.

I don't think you really believe that, do you Sibley?

jamespir

bendix wrote: »

You obviously have a very dim (and judgemental) view of those on benefits then, if you think the natural default position of those on benefits is to commit crime, should their funds be cut off.

I have more faith in people. I think they would be motivated and driven to improve themselves, get better educated perhaps or set up a small one-man business and get some pride back into their lives.

(This is exactly what happened in NZ during the late 1980s when their Finance Minister cut benefits - amazingly, people got back into jobs or used their god-given resources to work for themselves.)


But then again, I'm a conservative. I have more faith in my fellow man than you lefties who tend to think the worst of the people you profess to live, but whom you keep at the bottom of the heap.

im not a leftie and i dont think the worst in people

plus im not judgemental about those on benefits it could happent to those not on benefits but if you have no money youll eventally resort to crime to enable your self to get money

bendix

jamespir wrote: »

im not a leftie and i dont think the worst in people

But you just suggested that cutting benefits would cause an increase in crime.

That seems to imply that those on benefits would naturally resort to crime rather than more wholesome ways to support themselves, should their benefits be cut.

You can't have it both ways. I happen to think those on benefit would rise and find ways to improve themselves. You think they will steal.

Which is it?

jamespir

bendix wrote: »

But you just suggested that cutting benefits would cause an increase in crime.

That seems to imply that those on benefits would naturally resort to crime rather than more wholesome ways to support themselves, should their benefits be cut.

You can't have it both ways. I happen to think those on benefit would rise and find ways to improve themselves. You think they will steal.

Which is it?

no those not on benefits commit crimes too look at the mps thye not on benefits but all (minus a few ) have commited fraud whilst claiming fake expenses

bendix

jamespir wrote: »

plus im not judgemental about those on benefits it could happent to those not on benefits but if you have no money youll eventally resort to crime to enable your self to get money

When i had no money immediately after graduating, I decided to get any crappy job I could to make a living. I worked in a bar, I did a window-cleaning job, and I handed out leaflets on the street. This was at the height of unemployment during the mid-1980s

Perhaps I took the wrong approach. Perhaps I should have gone shoplifting instead.

StevieJ

bendix wrote: »

Sigh.

I don't think you really believe that, do you Sibley?

Interesting that he missed out other sex offenders.

jamespir

bendix wrote: »

When i had no money immediately after graduating, I decided to get any crappy job I could to make a living. I worked in a bar, I did a window-cleaning job, and I handed out leaflets on the street. This was at the height of unemployment during the mid-1980s

Perhaps I took the wrong approach. Perhaps I should have gone shoplifting instead.

no stop being a twerp what im saying is that if you say ok no benefit handouts



theres currerently 2.5 million unemployed and theres only 0.5 million jobs so what are the other two million supposed to do to get money

eventually it will lead to them having to beg or steal (begging is a crime)

bendix

jamespir wrote: »

no stop being a twerp what im saying is that if you say ok no benefit handouts



theres currerently 2.5 million unemployed and theres only 0.5 million jobs so what are the other two million supposed to do to get money

eventually it will lead to them having to beg or steal (begging is a crime)

Do what they did in NZ. Create jobs for themselves.

If there are so many people unemployed, why on earth can't I get someone to come round and clean my windows, unless I'm at home in midweek? Why are all the shops in my area advertising for staff? Why are private hospitals and nursing homes having to hire Filipino nurses because the job is 'too dirty' for precious English people?

If you want to work, you can work. Simple as that.

jamespir

bendix wrote: »

Do what they did in NZ. Create jobs for themselves.

If there are so many people unemployed, why on earth can't I get someone to come round and clean my windows, unless I'm at home in midweek? Why are all the shops in my area advertising for staff? Why are private hospitals and nursing homes having to hire Filipino nurses because the job is 'too dirty' for precious English people?

If you want to work, you can work. Simple as that.

its the fact were hiring bloddy foreigners is the reason there is no jobs

plus the fact there will always be people unemployed regardless if there was an amzing amount of jobs out there as some are just unemployable