Let's help Duncan Smith - how would YOU improve the benefits system?

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

From some of Marks previous posts it appears he turned down many jobs because he considered them below him, whilst happily taking the benefits cash.

I thought he was a top manager in Public sector IT or have I got the wrong one?

Thrugelmir

vivatifosi wrote: »

I agree that cuts need to be made and also agree with many of the government's proposals. However there is one thing that concerns me: what will happen to the unemployed with learning difficulties.

I meet a lot of people with learning difficulties who get despatched to the library by the Job Centre. I know from speaking to people at the Job Centre that they have a lot more "customers" (sorry don't know correct term), less money to go round and face further cuts themselves. They therefore send those with learning difficulties to the library, or to local NGOs for help. The problem is that libraries and NGOs are having their budgets cut too. So if someone turns up who needs to know how to use a computer to type a CV, or fill out an application form, or even send an e-mail, there aren't going to be the people to help. So people may end up in a sort of limbo, plus because they have learning difficulties, I've found people also don't understand their own entitlements, so are less likely to find the help that they are entitled to. I hope that the new system takes such people into account and gives them the hand that they need to do what afterall they want to do and find a job.

Isn't this the "Bigger Society". Where people help one another. Rather than focussing on ones own material wealth. Just giving a couple of hours of ones time once a week for a charitable cause of somekind. There's an immense satisfaction to be gained from helping people. That I believe also makes one a better person as you realise how fortunate you are.

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Isn't this the "Bigger Society". Where people help one another. Rather than focussing on ones own material wealth. Just giving a couple of hours of ones time once a week for a charitable cause of somekind. There's an immense satisfaction to be gained from helping people. That I believe also makes one a better person as you realise how fortunate you are.

I don't disagree with you in principle but if me doing it for nowt puts someone out of a job I may have second thoughts.

bendix

ILW wrote: »

From some of Marks previous posts it appears he turned down many jobs because he considered them below him, whilst happily taking the benefits cash.

Perhaps, but let's not forget he is senior IT manager in the public sector, a role he took presumably after not being able to survive in the private sector due to his penchant for wearing egg-stained cardigans to work. And short sleeve shirts, tucked into his suit pants.

He's really come alive over the last few days, hasn't he? So much anger. I've particularly revelled in his tirades against immigration, but only blacks and asians, and his advocacy of a report linking IQ to race.

One can understand his current anger. He moved to the public sector hoping to secure a pension. Sadly for him, the new Government is going to lay those plans to waste. And now, of course, he's scared of losing his job to the darkies in bongobongo land.

It must be fun being marklv at the moment. It's certainly fun watching him get angrier and more abusive as his cosy assumptions and well-thought through plans spiral out of control.

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

I don't disagree with you in principle but if me doing it for nowt puts someone out of a job I may have second thoughts.

My point precisely. Everybody wants to be paid to do anything.

A system which breaks down when its "us" that could do with some help however small.

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

My point precisely. Everybody wants to be paid to do anything.

A system which breaks down when its "us" that could do with some help however small.

Don't understand your point.

vivatifosi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Isn't this the "Bigger Society". Where people help one another. Rather than focussing on ones own material wealth. Just giving a couple of hours of ones time once a week for a charitable cause of somekind. There's an immense satisfaction to be gained from helping people. That I believe also makes one a better person as you realise how fortunate you are.

I agree with the concept of the "Bigger Society". My concern is that those who will get help will be those that are either clever enough to know where to get it or gobby enough to make their presence felt. A lot of the people who I meet with learning difficulties are very quiet and could easily be pushed to the back of the queue by the gobby and the brainy, or not even know where to find the queue in the first place. FWIW I think its the gobby and the brainy that benefit most from the current system too.

carolt

bendix wrote: »

Perhaps, but let's not forget he is senior IT manager in the public sector, a role he took presumably after not being able to survive in the private sector due to his penchant for wearing egg-stained cardigans to work. And short sleeve shirts, tucked into his suit pants.

He's really come alive over the last few days, hasn't he? So much anger. I've particularly revelled in his tirades against immigration, but only blacks and asians, and his advocacy of a report linking IQ to race.

One can understand his current anger. He moved to the public sector hoping to secure a pension. Sadly for him, the new Government is going to lay those plans to waste. And now, of course, he's scared of losing his job to the darkies in bongobongo land.

It must be fun being marklv at the moment. It's certainly fun watching him get angrier and more abusive as his cosy assumptions and well-thought through plans spiral out of control.

What a horrible post.

mramra

carolt wrote: »

What a horrible post.

What an interesting post.

weehev

marklv wrote: »

Have YOU ever been unemployed, you stupid moron? Do YOU know what it's like to live on £65 a week and still have to pay the rent or mortgage? No, then shut up. Stupid imbecile! :mad:

can you please tell me what this rant is all about - i never said stop benefits all together, i said:

1. benefits paid in food/clothing vouchers that cannot be used for alcohol/drugs/fags/50inch tv's -nothin wrong with this, unless thats what you spend your handouts on????
2. reduce benefits so its not a comfortable life - why should I pay for you to live comfortably
3. make people work for benefits, even if its just picking up litter, cleaning grafitti or even helping out in care homes/animal rescue centres etc - again, nothing wrong with this unless you are too lazy/selfish to do anything for your handouts
4. if convicted of a crime and fined - automatically take this from their benefits - only criminals would be annoyed at this
5. stop jobseekers allowance after say 3 yrs, how can someone not find a single job in 3 years!!! if they can't its cause they are unwilling to take on certain jobs. - 3 years is ample time
6. stop throwing money at schools, youth centers etc in poorer areas, thye do not appreciate it and its not making any difference
7. prisons - return to basic cells, no fancy food, computers, gym equipment etc - its supposed to be punishment! - again, only criminals would be annoyed at this


oh, and by the way, you stupid moron is not a question - its a statement, so no need for the '?'

but thanks for the lovely comments, it made me chuckle :T