Wrong tax code BR for whole year

redgoals

HI,

On April 20th 2009 i started a new job, my previous employer did not inform HMRC by way of a P45.

My new employer issued me with a 'BR' tax code on my payslips, i have been on this code since April 20th 2009.

I have written to the tax office and they have informed me i am not entitled to a tax rebate as my personal tax allowance for the year 2009/10 has been used up by my previous employment.

My question is, how can i have used up my tax allowance for the year 2009/10 in my previous job when i had left that job around on March 29 2009?

will appreciate any feedback.

thanks

noh

It would appear that HMRC think you were working for your previous employer in addition to your new one.
This would be because a P45 wasn't supplied to them.

Lokolo

You wouldn't have. But it is not upto your employer to give HMRC the P45. The P45 will come to you and you hand it to your new employer.

I suspect they think you were talking about a different tax year.

You should have a P60 from the job you're in at the moment, and you should have got a P45 from the previous job..... did you get that?

redgoals

thanks for the replies,

i did not get a p45 from my previous job, how would i go about getting the p45 from my previous employer? shouldnt my previous employer have sent it off to hmrc as in the letter i got back from hmrc's decision it clearly states "no p45 leaving details have been received from the previous employer"

noh

redgoals wrote: »

thanks for the replies,

i did not get a p45 from my previous job, how would i go about getting the p45 from my previous employer? shouldnt my previous employer have sent it off to hmrc as in the letter i got back from hmrc's decision it clearly states "no p45 leaving details have been received from the previous employer"

Ask them.
They are required to give you a P45 by law.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/WorkingAndPayingTax/DG_10013512

Lokolo

redgoals wrote: »

thanks for the replies,

i did not get a p45 from my previous job, how would i go about getting the p45 from my previous employer? shouldnt my previous employer have sent it off to hmrc as in the letter i got back from hmrc's decision it clearly states "no p45 leaving details have been received from the previous employer"

No, as I stated, the P45 goes to you. You then send 2 of 3 parts of that to HMRC (and keep Part 1). You are the middleman.

P45 goes on this route: Previous Employer -> You -> HMRC -> You

You should go back to your previous employer and ask for a Statement of Earnings (or preferably a P45) for the tax year 2009/2010 before you left. You can then send this to HMRC. You may have to persist. It took me many phone calls and I eventually gave up and told HMRC they refuse to send it to me, and HMRC budged them

redgoals

thankyou for the help Lokolo and noh

im gonna bug my previous employer for my p45, failing that will get the HMRC to chase them up.

thanks again

chrisbur

A P45 consists of four parts. When you leave your employer should complete the P45 and detach Part 1 which is sent to the tax office, this advises them that you have left this employment. You should then detach Part 1A which you keep for your records, and give Parts 2 and 3 to your new employer. Part 2 is kept by them for their records and part 3 is sent to the tax office to notify them that you are now with your new employer. These days some of this is often done online but the principle remains the same.
From what you have said your old employer has not advised the tax office that you have left, and I think your best bet would be to advise the tax office of this, they have a form for old employers to complete with P45 details if they are missing.

adolphin10

I just want to add as it is very important that Lokolo is completely wrong. It is not up to an individual to send any part of the P45 to HMRC. The previous employer sends Part 1 and the new employer sends part 3. It is now computerised and sending in paper parts of a P45 can lead to a fine. I would also suggest that you are still on the payroll of the previous employer (although not being paid). Normally if you have informed HMRC that you have left that employment they will write to that employer asking for details. However, I would just like to point out that if you are still on the payroll of the past employer you must remind them to send you a P60 as any P45 now produved should not be dated before 06/04/10. Sorry just realised that some of this repeated what chrisbur said but i feel that it is very important as incorrect info has previously been given

Lokolo

adolphin10 wrote: »

I just want to add as it is very important that Lokolo is completely wrong. It is not up to an individual to send any part of the P45 to HMRC. The previous employer sends Part 1 and the new employer sends part 3. It is now computerised and sending in paper parts of a P45 can lead to a fine. I would also suggest that you are still on the payroll of the previous employer (although not being paid). Normally if you have informed HMRC that you have left that employment they will write to that employer asking for details. However, I would just like to point out that if you are still on the payroll of the past employer you must remind them to send you a P60 as any P45 now produved should not be dated before 06/04/10. Sorry just realised that some of this repeated what chrisbur said but i feel that it is very important as incorrect info has previously been given

So what it says on a P50 is completely wrong?

It says "You must send Parts 2 and 3 of P45 with the P50".

If I sent P50 stating I am not going to be working anymore, why would I need to send Parts 2 and 3 off if it's all computerised?

chrisbur

Lokolo wrote: »

So what it says on a P50 is completely wrong?

It says "You must send Parts 2 and 3 of P45 with the P50".

If I sent P50 stating I am not going to be working anymore, why would I need to send Parts 2 and 3 off if it's all computerised?

The only time you would use a P50 is if you are no longer in employment and are also not signing on as unemployed. Then you would send Parts 2 and 3 of the P45 to the tax office with the P50 as under these circumstances there is no new employer for you to give it to. In this case though there was a new employer so a P50 could not be used.