Bags on train seats!?

BeenieCat

delain wrote: »

If there are 2 buggies the driver might say the bus is full, but then he'd otherwise have to throw passengers off who've already paid.

If someone in a wheelchair wants to get on a bus here and buggies are taking up the space, the drivers ask them to either fold up the buggy or get off! lol.

Owain_Moneysaver

johnnyroper wrote: »

a train ticket does not buy a seat on train,it buys a place on train from point a to point b,if you can get a seat then great.

It still only buys a place on a train for the travelling passenger and such luggage as is permitted under the relevant appendix in National Conditions of Carriage.

Owain_Moneysaver

rufus86 wrote: »

people always try and take up two seats by arming themselves with bags and spreading themselves out. i dont think its that they cant be arsed to put them overhead - they would just rather have 2 seats to themselves.

If the bus and train companies made the seats wider and with more legroom anyone larger than a ten-year-old wouldn't need to occupy two seats.

Of course then the fares would go up ...

Owain_Moneysaver

delain wrote: »

I don't know about trains (Can't be easy to get a wheelchair on one)

Quite easy with the assistance of a porter or guard with a ramp, who will also shove people/luggage out of the wheelchair space if necessary. The railway has a very good Assisted Travel Service for anyone needing it.

The newer trains even have wheelchair accessible lavvies (for some value of accessible).

dmg24

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

If the bus and train companies made the seats wider and with more legroom anyone larger than a ten-year-old wouldn't need to occupy two seats.

Of course then the fares would go up ...

I travelled on a Peter Pan/ Greyhound bus yesterday (and will be again tomorrow) and could not believe the difference! Lots of legroom, wifi and power points, and $12 for a two hour journey. I understand that there are different costs involved, but our operators could learn a thing or two from their US counterparts!

dmg24

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

Quite easy with the assistance of a porter or guard with a ramp, who will also shove people/luggage out of the wheelchair space if necessary. The railway has a very good Assisted Travel Service for anyone needing it.

The newer trains even have wheelchair accessible lavvies (for some value of accessible).

I am not in a wheelchair but am disabled, and can vouch for the help available on the trains. Compare that to National Express coaches who forgot to reserve me a seat and basically just left me to it!

Person_one

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

Personally I have more problem with people rushing past me when I'm on crutches to get the only seat left in that carriage and having the nerve to sit in it :mad:. I can't walk down the carriage and into the next to see if there are any seats - I don't have the energy and the pain doen't let me walk more than I have to. I have had to sit on the floor before in trains because people pretend to ignore the girl on the crutches obviously needing a seat. It's worse in London I've found which is even worse as there are priority seats which should be given up for people like me but people rarely do.

I know this one isn't trains - however I have been on the bus and the girl infront of us sat in the priority seats even though she had seen me on my crutches behind her! She pretended to ignore my glaring at her the whole trip. Obviously I made an impression because at the stop she ran off before I had even stood up.

I can bet I'm still going to have problems when I use a wheelchair from now on.

Do you ever ask them to move? I'm fairly oblivious sometimes and can imagine just not realising that A. I'm in the priority seat or B. there's someone with crutches 5 feet away. I'd move if you brought my attention to it and asked though, surely most people would even if just to avoid the shame of being the person who said no.

Doom_and_Gloom

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

If the bus and train companies made the seats wider and with more legroom anyone larger than a ten-year-old wouldn't need to occupy two seats.

Of course then the fares would go up ...

The size of the seats are fine for both my partner and I and we are certainly not 10 years old :rotfl:. It's not our fault that the majority of the populas are no overweight or obese now! If people weren't so fat it wouldn't be such an issue. We certainly don't want to encourage being overweight/obese by looking at our US counterparts :eek:.

As for prices going up - public transport is expencive as it is!

dmg24

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

The size of the seats are fine for both my partner and I and we are certainly not 10 years old :rotfl:. It's not our fault that the majority of the populas are no overweight or obese now! If people weren't so fat it wouldn't be such an issue. We certainly don't want to encourage being overweight/obese by looking at our US counterparts :eek:.

As for prices going up - public transport is expencive as it is!

You don't have to be overweight to appreciate having a little more personal space, and the idea that more legroom would encourage someone to be obese is quite bizarre!

Space does vary between operators, perhaps yours is more generous than most? There are two operators where I live, on one the space is adequate, but on the other my knees touch the seat in front ... and I am pretty short!

Doom_and_Gloom

Person_one wrote: »

Do you ever ask them to move? I'm fairly oblivious sometimes and can imagine just not realising that A. I'm in the priority seat or B. there's someone with crutches 5 feet away. I'd move if you brought my attention to it and asked though, surely most people would even if just to avoid the shame of being the person who said no.

No I don't ask people to move as I don't talk to people I don't know but if I could I would. However when people have obviously noticed you on your crutches than ran past you to get the last seat that is just wrong! This has happened to me a lot in London when I go - the tube is the worst for it from my experience.

delain - with regards to wheelchairs on trains if there isn't a ramp that you can use they say to go on backwards (the back wheels are bigger on self propel like I use). I don't go out without my partner so that's not a worry.

dgm24 - they also said about the seats being made wider "If the bus and train companies made the seats wider" so I don't see how my comment was bizzare to be honest.