ESA points

AlisonHarrison

Is there any sort of on line guide about how the points systems works for ESA.
I have an assessment soon and would like to be prepared.
Thank you

idvi

AlisonHarrison wrote: »

Is there any sort of on line guide about how the points systems works for ESA.
I have an assessment soon and would like to be prepared.
Thank you

your wish is my command :rotfl:

physical: http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/wr_esadescriptorslcwphysical

mental: http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/wr_esadescriptorslcwmental

some more useful info on automatic entitlements to esa and other rules: http://www.disabilityalliance.org/f31.htm

even more info on the medicals & special rules etc: http://www.disabilityalliance.org/f32.htm

kazzah60

thanks Idvi
I have found these to be particularly helpful links and have added them to my favourites !
Kazzah

AlisonHarrison

Excellent post idvi. Thank you. Exactly what I was looking for

50Twuncle

As a "non speaking person" - the result of an accident 20 years ago - I find the rules on communication
wrong (ESA grouping)
11. Communication
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light][FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]A None of the following forms of communication can be achieved by the claimant: [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]i) speaking (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]ii) writing (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]iii) typing (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]iv) sign language to a standard equivalent to Level 3 British Sign Language;[/FONT]

[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]As if I am going to carry a keyboard around with me to communicate ?[/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]Hence - I am stuck in the WRAG as opposed to the Support Group....[/FONT]
[/FONT]

idvi

21Twinkle wrote: »

As a "non speaking person" - the result of an accident 20 years ago - I find the rules on communication
wrong (ESA grouping)
11. Communication
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light][FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]A None of the following forms of communication can be achieved by the claimant: [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]i) speaking (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]ii) writing (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]iii) typing (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]iv) sign language to a standard equivalent to Level 3 British Sign Language;[/FONT]

[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]As if I am going to carry a keyboard around with me to communicate ?[/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]Hence - I am stuck in the WRAG as opposed to the Support Group....[/FONT]
[/FONT]

its pretty bad isnt it
as long as you can communicate somehow in some shape or form (even if is ridiculouslyt unpractical for a job) they dont care

how are you supposed to do a job interview if you can only type or write? :eek:

im sure its possible to get a job doing something with no speech, but i would still call that a 'limited capability for work' because obviously its limiting!!

idvi

some more links:

http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/pdfs/ESA_handbook_v1_Final.doc

^ the full official 200 page esa medical assessor staff handbook. quite a lot of dross in it, but some good stuff too (ie. describing how they are supposed to greet you from the waiting room to see how your disability may affect you.. IE. they mean.. getting up from sitting etc)

http://www.disabilityalliance.org/f33.pdf

^ official esa points guide in pdf format. THIS GUIDE INCLUDES THE CRITERIA FOR SUPPORT GROUP in APPENDIX 3. dont worry, this one is only a few pages long

i advise everyone to bookmark all of the links in this thread. it may be useful for helping others on here in future as well as you, so spread the info.

if you go there armed with all the info about them then it levels the playing field and doesnt give them the upper hand to be manipulative.

also interesting to learn the decision makers arent even medically trained whatsoever. the assessor has to put his/her report in simple, explaining language (ie describing what all medications do, not using medical words etc.)

you learn a lot from the handbook!!!

Indie_Kid

21Twinkle wrote: »

As a "non speaking person" - the result of an accident 20 years ago - I find the rules on communication
wrong (ESA grouping)
11. Communication
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light][FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]A None of the following forms of communication can be achieved by the claimant: [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]i) speaking (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]ii) writing (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]iii) typing (to a standard that may be understood by strangers); [/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]iv) sign language to a standard equivalent to Level 3 British Sign Language;[/FONT]

[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]As if I am going to carry a keyboard around with me to communicate ?[/FONT]
[FONT=Frutiger 45 Light,Frutiger 45 Light]Hence - I am stuck in the WRAG as opposed to the Support Group....[/FONT]
[/FONT]

Can you communicate with sign language?

Deball

BSL (British Sign Language) is only any good if you have someone else who can converse in BSL. BSL is a different language to English, it's like learning Greek when you will never meet another person who speaks Greek.

Communication disability is a very strange disability for many people to grasp, I became profoundly deafened three years ago, and the ESA now consider deaf or dumb applicants to be able to communicate in the workplace by writing down messages, all well and good if someone on the other side of the office is trying to tell me the place is burning down - what am I supposed to do, keep looking around to see who's writing to talk to me? Sure, I'd get the boot for sitting gawping around.

Interestingly for my ESA medical through my deafness and a few other issues the doctors prognosis was that in the long term I am unlikely to work again (a bit of an eye opener and of course I only found this out when the copy of the medical I ordered arrived) BUT I was placed by someone from the world of administration in the work support group, I've challenged this and am awaiting a reply.

Going back to the original question the sources given are well worth looking. The important thing is don't try putting something on that isn't there, they are trained to examine all ways and signs of your disability or illness not causing you a problem to work, some would say to catch you out as a fraud, I'm more cautious in how I phrase it.

colin13

good luck with your medical,,hope all goes well,and you get decent person

WhiteHorse

So, if the claimant can only communicate via sign language, are we safe to assume that the assessor will be competent in that skill?

No.