home schooling

pipkin71

7891368 wrote: »

but from how she performed at Primary School she should have better qualifications and has far from achieved her aspirations. Home schooling was definitely the wrong decision for this mentioned individual.

How can you be so sure of that, though?

Can I presume that all those children who left school below the national average would have done better had they been home educated?

Of course I can't.

There are children in school, who are predicted to do well, and then don't. Who do we blame for that?

fedupnow

In education Key stage 2 SAT results are used as a predictor of likely GCSE results, I would be interested to know what SAT results the person quoted in 789368's post got as if they got for example 3 5's they would be expected to get a lot more than 3 GCSE passes at above C. For example a child that receives a level 5 in yr 9 should if they continue to progress get a C at GCSE. ( admittedly that is vague! with lots of ifs) . I would say that a child that was considered good enough to sit a grammar school entrance (provided parents were not delusional!)should get at least 10 GCSE passes at C and above.

Hi

I honestly don't believe that the results from Primary school are a good indicator. My son got 5,5,5 in his SATs in Primary. After a year in secondary he got 3,3,4.

I see schools as one option. It is a resource to be used by parents to educate their children. Many parents opt for it, some don't. Ultimately it will be down to the child's determination and drive to succeed. This is where the parents play such a HUGE role. Whether a kid is homeschooled or not, it will be down to the parents to instil a love of learning and the ambition and discipline to succeed.

Just another 2p worth of opinion.:D

7891368

patchwork_cat wrote: »

Therefore I feel that without at least giving another school a try the OP is jumping at Home ed.

In education Key stage 2 SAT results are used as a predictor of likely GCSE results, I would be interested to know what SAT results the person quoted in 789368's post got as if they got for example 3 5's they would be expected to get a lot more than 3 GCSE passes at above C.


My DS surpassed his target for his best 8. Although he did 13 and so I think had he done 10 he would have aced it ( also feel I was a bit naive and should have done some home ed in DT!)

She achieved 4, 5 , 6. Science, English, Maths.

She did not even really study science after such. The reason she didn't get into the school is because she did not attain the required score in the admissions test. She herself now aged 18 wishes she had just stayed in school albeit not the one she wanted.

pipkin71 wrote: »

How can you be so sure of that, though?

It's from what both she and her Mum have said, as well as the results as mentioned above. She also did not have some of the opportunities other children had whilst in school, such as choice of language. She learnt French as in our area that was all that was available.

fedupnow wrote: »

I see schools as one option. It is a resource to be used by parents to educate their children. Many parents opt for it, some don't. Ultimately it will be down to the child's determination and drive to succeed. This is where the parents play such a HUGE role. Whether a kid is homeschooled or not, it will be down to the parents to instil a love of learning and the ambition and discipline to succeed.

Just another 2p worth of opinion.:D

I think this is one of the hardest things concerning it. I know that if my Mum taught me it would affect our day to day relationship. She also admits she would have no clue about teaching science, a lots changed . You've done very well teaching home ed and all due respect to you, but I know for one that I wouldn't be at University now and would hate my parents:rotfl:

SugarSpun

My parents have two kids. One of them was taken out of school at 11 and educated at home. I went through the regular system and am doing just fine, employed, well qualified, socially well adjusted with a wide and varied circle, etc.

My brother is unemployed, has no qualifications and sees no reason to get either qualifications or a job. My mother, whose idea the homeschooling was, had lots of good intentions, printed reams of worksheets off the internet and made timetables galore. My brother, however, wasn't interested and ended up doing the bare minimum of work. He has very few social skills and although he is intelligent he refuses to read anything more complicated than a pizza delivery menu and stays at home (still with our parents, although he is 21) every day refusing to better himself and just assuming that the state will always provide him enough benefits to live on.

My closest friend and all three of her siblings were also homeschooled by parents who organised projects for them, taught them carefully and brought in tutors and friends to teach things they felt unqualified to take care of themselves. My friend's the only one who isn't entitled to call herself "Doctor", and she's a solicitor.

I've nothing at all against homeschooling - but it is hard, hard work if it's done properly and if it's done badly it can be catastrophic for the child.

fedupnow

SugarSpun wrote: »

I've nothing at all against homeschooling - but it is hard, hard work if it's done properly and if it's done badly it can be catastrophic for the child.[/QUOTE]

Just like schools then really.

Your story has blown my theory of the parents influence over the child's love of learning clean out the water.

Thanks for that.;)

I wonder why you are so different. Why did they feel the need to remove your brother and not you?

I guess I am trying to ask, did they feel he needed more encouragement one-to-one because he lacked any real incentive in school? Perhaps he has yet to find what he is good at ... or what interests him.

pipkin71

SugarSpun wrote: »

I've nothing at all against homeschooling - but it is hard, hard work if it's done properly and if it's done badly it can be catastrophic for the child.

Agree with this, Sugarspan.

The parent needs to commit to home ed, and if it doesn't work out, then they should do what is in the child's best interests, to ensure they have many options open to them as adults.

It is just as bad, imo, to continue following the HE route when it is clearly not working, as it is to leave a child to stagnate in a school when the education system is not working for that child.

Ultimately, the majority of us have our childrens best interests at heart and do what is right for our children. Sadly, some parents don't choose to do what's right and the child's education suffers.

As it stands, the OP feels the child's education is suffering, so, as someone who is concerned about her child, she is doing the right thing in exploring other options. In my opinion, leaving her son there, to stagnate, would be even worse than considering / moving on to home ed, or looking at the possibility of moving schools.

Ultimately, they have to do what's right for them.

red_devil

SugarSpun wrote: »

My parents have two kids. One of them was taken out of school at 11 and educated at home. I went through the regular system and am doing just fine, employed, well qualified, socially well adjusted with a wide and varied circle, etc.

My brother is unemployed, has no qualifications and sees no reason to get either qualifications or a job. My mother, whose idea the homeschooling was, had lots of good intentions, printed reams of worksheets off the internet and made timetables galore. My brother, however, wasn't interested and ended up doing the bare minimum of work. He has very few social skills and although he is intelligent he refuses to read anything more complicated than a pizza delivery menu and stays at home (still with our parents, although he is 21) every day refusing to better himself and just assuming that the state will always provide him enough benefits to live on.

My closest friend and all three of her siblings were also homeschooled by parents who organised projects for them, taught them carefully and brought in tutors and friends to teach things they felt unqualified to take care of themselves. My friend's the only one who isn't entitled to call herself "Doctor", and she's a solicitor.

I've nothing at all against homeschooling - but it is hard, hard work if it's done properly and if it's done badly it can be catastrophic for the child.

He may have been like that even if he had gone to school though in fairness!

reeree

odollybird wrote: »

hi there,
i am seriously considering taking my ds out of his school and home schooling him has anybody had any experiance of this. he has problems at school with the staff, he made a reputation for himself in his first yaer at secondry school and has by far improved from this but they still look at him and deal with him with the past inmind they dont want to let him start afresh , any help or advice would be appriciated (sp)

tia

We took my dg out of school because of bullying, it got out of hand and was far and beyond the normal tormenting that you find in any school, he wrote things down about how he felt and what was happening to him, when l found the things he'd written they made chilling reading, with his permission l shared some of them with the msers on here, taking him out of school was the best thing we could have done for him, he could'nt concentrate because they were tormenting him in class as well as out, one of the teachers said he was surprised he did as well as he did with what he had to put up with. We found that the school were not taking it seriously enough after endless complaints meetings and phone calls we decided enough was enough especially after the last incident where he was punched in between the legs and threats to beat him up after school, it was just too much it was bringing him down. It dosen't sound as if bullying is the case with your son but if you feel he won't realise his full potential because of the teachers then maybe another school might be better for him, if that's not an option then talk it through with the local education department, we found them really helpful and not judgemental in any way, I think it's wonderful that your son has turned his behaviour around not an easy thing to do he could so easily have gone the other way, and shame on the teachers for not giving him another chance

SugarSpun

fedupnow wrote: »

SugarSpun wrote: »

I've nothing at all against homeschooling - but it is hard, hard work if it's done properly and if it's done badly it can be catastrophic for the child.

Just like schools then really.

Your story has blown my theory of the parents influence over the child's love of learning clean out the water.

Thanks for that.;)

I wonder why you are so different. Why did they feel the need to remove your brother and not you?

I guess I am trying to ask, did they feel he needed more encouragement one-to-one because he lacked any real incentive in school? Perhaps he has yet to find what he is good at ... or what interests him.

The school he attended suggested that staying back a year in primary school would be a good option for him because they doubted his ability to keep up. My brother was terribly embarrassed by this and so my mother protected him from his feelings by taking him out. I think a different school would have been a better fit for him; he needed order and discipline and didn't get it.

I think if a child is having problems in school the parents need to identify the needs of that child - are they bored/bullied/understimulated/unable to concentrate with all the other kids around/not keeping up? Homeschooling can answer all those potential problems, but only if the parents and child can discipline themselves to do so.

Not everything fits each kid, but I really do think that good homeschooling is a hell of a job to take on and that many people think of it as an easy option. Changing schools would, I think, have done my brother the world of good and I think the same would apply to the OP's kid.

pipkin71 wrote: »

It is just as bad, imo, to continue following the HE route when it is clearly not working, as it is to leave a child to stagnate in a school when the education system is not working for that child.

Ultimately, they have to do what's right for them.

I agree, although I'd specify the education system in *that* school. The OP's belief is that her son is being dismissed as a problem although he's left his problematic behaviour behind him. It's a problem with the one school, not all schools.

red_devil wrote: »

He may have been like that even if he had gone to school though in fairness!

I think the sense of entitlement would have been knocked out of him if he hadn't been given the reassurance that any obstacle in his way can be removed by someone else. But that's not relevant to the OP's situation, it doesn't sound like she's dealing with an entitled kid so much as a reformed problem kid who's reaping the consequences of his reputation.

reeree

Not everything fits each kid, but I really do think that good homeschooling is a hell of a job to take on and that many people think of it as an easy option. Changing schools would, I think, have done my brother the world of good and I think the same would apply to the OP's kid.



no way is home schooling the easy option, it would be much easier to send them to school and let the teachers get on with educating the child, homeschooling as any one who who home eds will tell you is really hardwork after all we are the ones responsible for the childs education so we have to work hard to make sure we get it right