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Gay asylum seekers from Iran and Cameroon win appeal

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  • carolt
    carolt Posts: 8,531 Forumite
    I do agree with you about the need not to incentivise. But very hard to put into practice, though.
  • Harry_Powell
    Harry_Powell Posts: 2,089 Forumite
    carolt wrote: »
    Eh? I hardly think I'm with the White Horse on starving them to death!

    I don't recommend people on benefits being unable to afford essentials - certainly not. I'm not in favour of them 'earning' more than people in work, though, no.

    So you're saying that a family on benefits should receive less income than a single person who works, regardless of their needs? I assume not, so could you please quantify your point?
    "I can hear you whisperin', children, so I know you're down there. I can feel myself gettin' awful mad. I'm out of patience, children. I'm coming to find you now." - Harry Powell, Night of the Hunter, 1955.
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    So you're saying that a family on benefits should receive less income than a single person who works, regardless of their needs? I assume not, so could you please quantify your point?

    They should receive less income after essentials, such as basic housing, clothing and food.
  • Harry_Powell
    Harry_Powell Posts: 2,089 Forumite
    ILW wrote: »
    They should receive less income after essentials, such as basic housing, clothing and food.

    Hi carolt. ;)

    How can you know which part of their income is spent on essentials and which part (if any) is spent on luxuries?
    "I can hear you whisperin', children, so I know you're down there. I can feel myself gettin' awful mad. I'm out of patience, children. I'm coming to find you now." - Harry Powell, Night of the Hunter, 1955.
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    Hi carolt. ;)

    How can you know which part of their income is spent on essentials and which part (if any) is spent on luxuries?
    It is pretty simple to price up the cost of a weeks food for a certain size of family, rent is a known figure and a fair clothing allowance can be made.
    What is the difficult bit?
  • Harry_Powell
    Harry_Powell Posts: 2,089 Forumite
    edited 8 July 2010 at 4:19PM
    ILW wrote: »
    It is pretty simple to price up the cost of a weeks food for a certain size of family, rent is a known figure and a fair clothing allowance can be made.
    What is the difficult bit?

    The difficult bit is the statement "A person on benefits should not 'earn' more than a person who works". As you've just displayed, it's not possible to do this because it's based on necessity, not just a capped figure.

    A family obviously has a greater necessity for food and clothing and bedrooms than a single person, so would require more income. If we then quantify the statement by saying a single person on benefits should not 'earn' more than a single person who works, a family of 4 should not 'earn' more than a working family of 4, then it's still not possible because perhaps the family of 4 on benefits is on benefits because the parents can't work due to some disability or injury that requires additional income to pay for associated costs.

    TBH, I think you'd find it very difficult to find a family or individual on benefits who 'earned' more than a comparable working family or individual anyway, so the whole argument is moot.
    "I can hear you whisperin', children, so I know you're down there. I can feel myself gettin' awful mad. I'm out of patience, children. I'm coming to find you now." - Harry Powell, Night of the Hunter, 1955.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with house prices, the economy, etc.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • Ditto
    Ditto Posts: 357 Forumite
    I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with house prices, the economy, etc.

    Asylum seekers need to be housed, they also need money to live on. Who pays for them to do so?
  • The_White_Horse
    The_White_Horse Posts: 3,315 Forumite
    I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with house prices, the economy, etc.

    are you stupid????? its because the gay cameroonians will be here offering 500k for bog standard houses, to indulge in some fisting which is not allowed in the cameroon.

    if you want to know the full feeling towards gays in Uganda, go on you tube and look up "eat da poo poo". there are lots of remixes of it now, so you may have to look hard to find the original.
  • Really2
    Really2 Posts: 12,397 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with house prices, the economy, etc.

    Oh we stopped debating houses and the economy ages ago. :)


    It's frothers, football and baking now. :)
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