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Sure STart Grant cut off for consecutive children?????
sysky
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Hiya,
does anyone know when the cut off for the Sure start maternity grant is as the jobcentre people dont know and told me to ring social fund but not had a chance to get through to them. was considering trying for another baby but if its too late already we cant afford to loose that and the baby element for the tax credits and that would be it for us.
does anyone know when the cut off for the Sure start maternity grant is as the jobcentre people dont know and told me to ring social fund but not had a chance to get through to them. was considering trying for another baby but if its too late already we cant afford to loose that and the baby element for the tax credits and that would be it for us.
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Hiya,
does anyone know when the cut off for the Sure start maternity grant is as the jobcentre people dont know and told me to ring social fund but not had a chance to get through to them. was considering trying for another baby but if its too late already we cant afford to loose that and the baby element for the tax credits and that would be it for us.
Then with respect I think you should NOT have another child, if the £500 grant, and the £520 you would lose in TC over the first yr means you can't afford a baby, then you can't afford one full stop!
How would you fund a child for 18+ yr if 1ks determines if you concieve or not!
In answer to your question, yes if you are not already pregnant, and you have a child it is very likely you won't qualify for the SSMG. If this is your first baby and you qualify through means testing, then you will get it regardless.
Having a baby doesn't qualify you for a cash bonus though, that's your responsibility, or should be!0 -
well thanks moomoo but you obviously dont realise that
a) there are not many jobs about even paying minimum wage even with a degree which eats away at earnings from a measly 15k and
b) if every family only has 2 children we would only replace ourselves to carry on living but not everyone can have babies for whatever reason so statistically some families would need to have a football team to make up for the many not able to conceive. to even try and stop the upside down pensioner pyramid from toppeling over that was created by the babyboomers.
Neither you nor the current government knows much about statistics and how they come to be and simple numbers like a median and mean being used and giving the complete wrong information which 2.4 children per family is! as well as an average national income as that mask the few high earners the many that would not even get near the 40k tax credit cut off.
maybe we should rather completely cut IVF as that cost more then the few maternity benefits available that can not even consider comparing with other European countries.0 -
well thanks moomoo but you obviously dont realise that
a) there are not many jobs about even paying minimum wage even with a degree which eats away at earnings from a measly 15k and
b) if every family only has 2 children we would only replace ourselves to carry on living but not everyone can have babies for whatever reason so statistically some families would need to have a football team to make up for the many not able to conceive. to even try and stop the upside down pensioner pyramid from toppeling over that was created by the babyboomers.
Neither you nor the current government knows much about statistics and how they come to be and simple numbers like a median and mean being used and giving the complete wrong information which 2.4 children per family is! as well as an average national income as that mask the few high earners the many that would not even get near the 40k tax credit cut off.
maybe we should rather completely cut IVF as that cost more then the few maternity benefits available that can not even consider comparing with other European countries.
Stats aside, which frankly, I'm not quite sure why those were bought into it??!
you stated you can't manage without a total of 1k, so how will you manage to finacially support a child in the longterm, if 1k is determining if you do or don't concieve!!
It's from your own 'mouth', that you say you can't support a child without the grant and baby element. So you answered your own question! As you won't get the family element as that gets scrapped in April 2011, as does the SSMG for subsequent children, and the HSIPG gets cut from Jan 20110 -
well thanks moomoo but you obviously dont realise that
a) there are not many jobs about even paying minimum wage even with a degree which eats away at earnings from a measly 15k and
b) if every family only has 2 children we would only replace ourselves to carry on living but not everyone can have babies for whatever reason so statistically some families would need to have a football team to make up for the many not able to conceive. to even try and stop the upside down pensioner pyramid from toppeling over that was created by the babyboomers.
Neither you nor the current government knows much about statistics and how they come to be and simple numbers like a median and mean being used and giving the complete wrong information which 2.4 children per family is! as well as an average national income as that mask the few high earners the many that would not even get near the 40k tax credit cut off.
maybe we should rather completely cut IVF as that cost more then the few maternity benefits available that can not even consider comparing with other European countries.
Sadly, you'll find a lot of people that equate procreating as some kind of luxury only the wealthy should have (perhaps they could study a bit of biology someday in addition to statistics:rotfl:)All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.0 -
well thanks moomoo but you obviously dont realise that
a) there are not many jobs about even paying minimum wage even with a degree which eats away at earnings from a measly 15k and
b) if every family only has 2 children we would only replace ourselves to carry on living but not everyone can have babies for whatever reason so statistically some families would need to have a football team to make up for the many not able to conceive. to even try and stop the upside down pensioner pyramid from toppeling over that was created by the babyboomers.
Neither you nor the current government knows much about statistics and how they come to be and simple numbers like a median and mean being used and giving the complete wrong information which 2.4 children per family is! as well as an average national income as that mask the few high earners the many that would not even get near the 40k tax credit cut off.
maybe we should rather completely cut IVF as that cost more then the few maternity benefits available that can not even consider comparing with other European countries.
the "nuclear"family is now 1 or 2 parents plus 1.7 children
as for denyiny the right for a few childless couples to get help so the many can get £10 per week is disgraceful0 -
Deepmistrust wrote: »Sadly, you'll find a lot of people that equate procreating as some kind of luxury only the wealthy should have (perhaps they could study a bit of biology someday in addition to statistics:rotfl:)
No not a luxury, but one would question that it's reasonable to expect that people who have children have some way of supporting them, especially if planned!!
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I find it vulgar to think a human life will or won't exist down to what benefits or bonuses are available!0 -
There are many ways to "afford" a child, but it would cause us hardship without it. as 1k simply is an awefull lot of money and you do need a lot for a baby which gets about 30-40% dearer every year it seems as not everything can be reused or gotten off freecycle, hand me downs etc. but I'm just taking a guess if you have kids they wear boden and other designer names.
but of course the torries take it from the poorest and probably claim child benefit themselves and couldnt budget their own families money for s**t as they dont know the cost of nappies baby formula if you can not breastfeed and also baby and childrens clothes are supposed to be VAT free they actually mostly cost more then my own clothes not to mention rent is not regulated in anyway in no relation to property size or area. which im afraid all affects every day living cost, but you dont seem to know much about that.0 -
moomoomama27 wrote: »No not a luxury, but one would question that it's reasonable to expect that people who have children have some way of supporting them, especially if planned!!
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I find it vulgar to think a human life will or won't exist down to what benefits or bonuses are available!
At no point did I refer to whether it was 'vulgar' or not to base the decision to have children on the grounds of what money is available.
On the contrary, I have made the point that procreation should never be dependant on wealth (or lack of wealth).All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.0 -
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