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Sure STart Grant cut off for consecutive children?????
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Deepmistrust wrote: »Please do not confuse incentives with assistance. The two are completely seperate.
But the op states that she will only have a child if she gets "assistance".
Surely if she really wanted another child she wouldn't care whether she received "assistance" or not otherwise it is actually an incentive ie. the reason that she want's a child.
Btw i'm not a benefit basher as i'm on benefits myself & often on the receiving end of the bashing.I'd rather regret the things I've done than regret the things I haven't done.
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Breast_Cancer_Survivor wrote: »But the op states that she will only have a child if she gets "assistance".
Surely if she really wanted another child she wouldn't care whether she received "assistance" or not otherwise it is actually an incentive ie. the reason that she want's a child.
Btw i'm not a benefit basher as i'm on benefits myself & often on the receiving end of the bashing.
I'm not concerned what some OP said.
I'm pointing out that maternity grants are financial ASSISTANCE, not INCENTIVES.All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.0 -
Deepmistrust wrote: »I'm not concerned what some OP said.
I'm pointing out that maternity grants are financial ASSISTANCE, not INCENTIVES.
If the op still decides to have another child even though she knows that she isn't going to get 1K ASSISTANCE then I will agree with you.I'd rather regret the things I've done than regret the things I haven't done.
Lucille Ball0 -
Breast_Cancer_Survivor wrote: »If the op still decides to have another child even though she knows that she isn't going to get 1K ASSISTANCE then I will agree with you.
What someone thinks is neither here nor there.
The grants were set up to offer ASSISTANCE. She has at no point suggested she wants a baby BECAUSE OF the assistance. But rather she FEARS that she can't "afford" one without ASSISTANCE.All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.0 -
Deepmistrust wrote: »What someone thinks is neither here nor there.
The grants were set up to offer ASSISTANCE. She has at no point suggested she wants a baby BECAUSE OF the assistance. But rather she FEARS that she can't "afford" one without ASSISTANCE.
Hiya,
does anyone know when the cut off for the Sure start maternity grant is as the jobcentre people dont know and told me to ring social fund but not had a chance to get through to them. was considering trying for another baby but if its too late already we cant afford to loose that and the baby element for the tax credits and that would be it for us.
This leads me to believe that if she can get ASSISTANCE then she will be trying for another baby but if she can't get assistance then she won't.
That makes me think that getting a grant is an INCENTIVE to this particular person.I'd rather regret the things I've done than regret the things I haven't done.
Lucille Ball0 -
Breast_Cancer_Survivor wrote: »Hiya,
does anyone know when the cut off for the Sure start maternity grant is as the jobcentre people dont know and told me to ring social fund but not had a chance to get through to them. was considering trying for another baby but if its too late already we cant afford to loose that and the baby element for the tax credits and that would be it for us.
This leads me to believe that if she can get ASSISTANCE then she will be trying for another baby but if she can't get assistance then she won't.
That makes me think that getting a grant is an INCENTIVE to this particular person.
This argument is circuitous. First you have to actually understand the difference between the two.
She is clearly stating she CANNOT afford to have another child without ASSISTANCE (which is what the grant is).
Nor is this anecdotal example proof that the grant is an "Incentive" rather than "assistance".
You say yourself you are on benefits. Are you suggesting that the assistance you receive is an INCENTIVE to not work for you?
If that is the case, then the INCENTIVE must be a better alterantive to NOT having claiming benefits (i.e. to be truthfully an incentive you would have to be better off on benefits) Do you see the analogy yet?
Even with the ASSISTANCE - she would NOT be better off by having a baby in financial terms, than not having a baby.
So it is NOT an incentive, it's ASSISTANCE.
She already wants a baby. The money is not motivating her to have a baby. But the lack of money may prevent her from having one anyway.All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.0 -
Deepmistrust wrote: »But the lack of money may prevent her from having one anyway.
There are lots of young people in this country who would love to have ONE child let alone more but cannot afford it because their mortgage/rent takes a lot of there income.
Most of them put it off until later on in life and have them once they are financially secure, or cut back on luxuries for themselves to afford the child.0 -
well thanks moomoo but you obviously dont realise that
a) there are not many jobs about even paying minimum wage even with a degree which eats away at earnings from a measly 15k and
b) if every family only has 2 children we would only replace ourselves to carry on living but not everyone can have babies for whatever reason so statistically some families would need to have a football team to make up for the many not able to conceive. to even try and stop the upside down pensioner pyramid from toppeling over that was created by the babyboomers.
Neither you nor the current government knows much about statistics and how they come to be and simple numbers like a median and mean being used and giving the complete wrong information which 2.4 children per family is! as well as an average national income as that mask the few high earners the many that would not even get near the 40k tax credit cut off.
maybe we should rather completely cut IVF as that cost more then the few maternity benefits available that can not even consider comparing with other European countries.
So you would like to completely take away some couples only chance of having a child to to fund other peoples 2nd 3rd etc children??
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There are lots of young people in this country who would love to have ONE child let alone more but cannot afford it because their mortgage/rent takes a lot of there income.
Most of them put it off until later on in life and have them once they are financially secure, or cut back on luxuries for themselves to afford the child.
I genuinely have no idea why you felt the need to tell me this.All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.0
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