Tories are certainly getting stuck into our benefits system...

mitchaa

vaporate wrote: »

Finished trying to be a goody goody?

Not at all, but it is you that is coming across as the immature child here.

Anyone can hurtle out insults behind the safety of their computer screens. I call them keyboard warriors. The same people in real life generally face to face wouldn't say boo to a goose. I just think there are better ways at getting your point across rather than resorting to tactics that were left in the school playground many moons ago.

I don't like those that abuse the benefits system either, not many people do. They are a complete waste of space with no meaning to their lives.

Carry on as you are but people can make up their own minds.

vaporate

mitchaa wrote: »

Not at all, but it is you that is coming across as the immature child here.

Anyone can hurtle out insults behind the safety of their computer screens. I call them keyboard warriors. The same people in real life generally face to face wouldn't say boo to a goose. I just think there are better ways at getting your point across rather than resorting to tactics that were left in the school playground many moons ago.

I don't like those that abuse the benefits system either, not many people do. They are a complete waste of space with no meaning to their lives.

Carry on as you are but people can make up their own minds.

Like I said 'whatever'.

shebrett

Maybe the govt should approach this from another direction. The benefit system needs to be there and it really doesn't pay that much money if you're honest. If you really want to work but can't find anything, then having no spare money at the end of the week would be completely demoralising I think.

It's those who sit on it their whole life and see it as their right that really P&%s me off. The govt should start offering people a finder's fee. If you grass up a dole cheat, you get 5% of what the govt save in the first year from catching them out......reckon that would work faster than anything else....and probably be cheaper than a whole department of people employed to do just that.

Shakethedisease

Why the need for the childish name calling?

Why pick on just the one poster that has a vastly different opinion here than your's ?

If you really want to be balanced about childish name calling why have you completely ignored comments like these ?

Swap the dole for a spade and get picking those spuds benefits-boy!

You lot really dont know how despised you are in this country by the majority of hard working employed

At least leeches have some uses. You lot are worse than useless.

Mothers should be offered abortions if they dont think they can afford to have children

Work or starve.

The only thing keeping disabled people out of work is their attitude.

Agreed! If so many chavs are "impoverished", why are they so fat?

You managed to ignore those grossly offensive ( to some other posters here, particularly the 'abortion, disabled and leeches ' comments ).. well enough on this thread until now ?

Why start accusing people of name-calling 5 pages in ? A bit of 'blinkeredness' there perhaps ? Keyboard warriors, oh aren't we all. It was you that started the thread after all...

mbga9pgf

Another leech emerges....

SingleSue

Now come on guys, surely we are able, as grown ups, to be able to discuss matters like this without resorting to insults.

Words like scum and leeches have no place in adult conversation, just the same as being downright nasty to those with differing opinions (on either side), has no place.

We are adults, not children and with that, should come the ability to discuss in an adult like manner with each taking on board the others opinion in a sensible and enlightening discussion.

ash28

mbga9pgf wrote: »

The majority are, yes.

But I lived 13 years of your socialist horror, now its my turn.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Socialism is dead for a long while mate.

Do you seriously believe most benefit claimants are scroungers?

Perhaps they are, and should be put back to work.

My question would be, where are they going to work?

2.47 million unemployed
2.07 million "long term sick"

The number of vacancies 492k - so 5.2 people for every vacancy based on the number of unemployed.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=12

Even I can see the numbers don't add up.

I can't see that throwing people off incapacity onto jobseekers is actually going to achieve anything very much - if you've been on incapacity for a number of years and you suddenly have to enter the job market - and your prospective employer (assuming you can get an interview for that job shelf stacking or cleaning) asks why you haven't worked for the last "x" years - I've got MS/arthritis/parkinsons/bad back/depression/post traumatic shock/......

Perhaps it would have been better to wait for the predicted growth and lower unemployment - which according to the new gov't will happen very soon. If there were more jobs in the economy these people might stand a chance, as things stand now, they have none.

And the chances are those new jobs will be snapped up by redundant workers from the courts (157 closing), prison officers (fewer custodial sentences: Ken Clarke), police and MOD staff......

Seriously what will it achieve? People will be moved from one set of benefits to another.

PS - I thought the Eastern Europeans had been leaving in droves...

mbga9pgf

Who cares? they should have worked harder at school. As a high rate tax payer they are not my problem; perhaps they should have thought about their futures when they embarked on a life of sitting on their @rse watching JK.

They need suck it up; it will teach them a lesson in life, that you dont get owt for nowt. Painful medicine, I am sick of workshy lazy tw@'s leeching valuable resources off this once great nation.

If the Eastern Europeans do head back, as I say, get a spade, there will be plenty of veg to dig on minimum wage.

ash28

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Who cares? they should have worked harder at school. As a high rate tax payer they are not my problem; perhaps they should have thought about their futures when they embarked on a life of sitting on their @rse watching JK.

They need suck it up; it will teach them a lesson in life, that you dont get owt for nowt. Painful medicine, I am sick of workshy lazy tw@'s leeching valuable resources off this once great nation.

If the Eastern Europeans do head back, as I say, get a spade, there will be plenty of veg to dig on minimum wage.

OH is a higher rate tax payer too and has been for well over 20 years - I was too until I decided to become a kept woman - but it doesn't mean I don't give a sh*t about people at the other end of the spectrum.

I do give a sh*t unfortunately, IMHO some may have chosen a life on benefits as means of not having to work, but not everyone and yes, perhaps for those who have something needs to change.

To imply that everyone is a scrounger is not fair - there are people on incapacity who would rather be working - people who previously had good jobs, I know 2 that were higher rate tax payers, both have MS, one has reached the stage where he can barely talk, let alone get around, and the other is heading that way, both had very good jobs and I'm sure would prefer to be still in them. For one the onset was quite slow and he was able to work for a number of years and his company were very good during his "bad times" and hospitalisations. For the other the onset was very rapid - they thought he had brain tumour at first and he had to give up work quite quickly.

My own father was on incapacity benefit for years - he had motor neurone disease, diagnosed in his 50s, he too would have loved to be in work, instead of living with a disease that was slowly killing him.

One of OH's colleagues has recently been diagnosed with Parkinsons he is 48 - and is unsure how long he will be able to carry on doing his job - he is an engineer. Unless the medication can stop the tremors he won't really be able to work much longer in his current job - aircraft related. Hopefully they will find something he can do - but with cut backs and redundancies that may not be possible. If he does have to give up work who will employ him? He tried to hide it for as long as he could, but there came a point when it was obvious something was wrong with him. He is another higher rate taxpayer - though what that has to do with anything I don't really know.

But not to worry they can grab a spade and pick potatoes for minimum wage - I'll let them know.

So for every "bad back" there is probably someone else genuinely incapacitated and unable to work. To tar every one with the same brush is not fair.

If anything happens to us health wise we are in the fortunate position of being financially able to look after ourselves without the need for benefits - that's not to say if one or both of us developed a debilitating illness we wouldn't claim incapacity benefit if we were eligible.

ILW

ash28 wrote: »

I can't see that throwing people off incapacity onto jobseekers is actually going to achieve anything very much -.

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I believe it is at a lower rate, so an immediate saving.