The Sub Prime Credit Thread - Part V

seeya23

fermi wrote: »

They've all gone as far as I can see.

At one point there were more than 30.

I expect a lot were taken care of via the spam button etc....

And hopefully Martins team took care of the rest. Sometimes the last few take a few mins to get rid of, as they have to search for them and they don't show up in the search index for a little while.

mse need to start banning ip addy as is not the first time by same user under a new name

fermi

seeya23 wrote: »

mse need to start banning ip addy as is not the first time by same user under a new name

They then just reboot their router and pick up a new IP from the DHCP pool.

Or use a proxy to mask the IP.

I admin other forums, and believe me, banning by IP is not effective against most of these types.

Sad, but true........

Zack1

fermi wrote: »

They then just reboot their router and pick up a new IP from the DHCP pool.

Or use a proxy to mask the IP.

I admin other forums, and believe me, banning by IP is not effective against most of these types.

Sad, but true........

Exactly, I commented on it before when NID said about IP banning. Unfortunately it's impossible to do until static IPs are used in 95%+ of houses, that won't happen for a long time.

Only realistic way at the moment is to charge a fee to sign up, as this is a money saving site then it could potentially be refunded after X posts or whatever (another forum I'm on don't refund, but I was on there before the fee). Having this on another forum I'm on has stopped abuse dramatically - however sad people are, they won't pay to abuse people.....

This tool sent me a PM about Seeya too, you'd at least think they would change them to reflect the person they are contacting! Funny thing is the regulars here know exactly who it is, but MSE can't do anything about it

seeya23

Zack1 wrote: »

Exactly, I commented on it before when NID said about IP banning. Unfortunately it's impossible to do until static IPs are used in 95%+ of houses, that won't happen for a long time.

Only realistic way at the moment is to charge a fee to sign up, as this is a money saving site then it could potentially be refunded after X posts or whatever (another forum I'm on don't refund, but I was on there before the fee). Having this on another forum I'm on has stopped abuse dramatically - however sad people are, they won't pay to abuse people.....

This tool sent me a PM about Seeya too, you'd at least think they would change them to reflect the person they are contacting! Funny thing is the regulars here know exactly who it is, but MSE can't do anything about it

i got pm off that tool too how long are mse going to let this go on for????????????? and pm me and let me know who it is

callum9999

Zack1 wrote: »

Exactly, I commented on it before when NID said about IP banning. Unfortunately it's impossible to do until static IPs are used in 95%+ of houses, that won't happen for a long time.

Only realistic way at the moment is to charge a fee to sign up, as this is a money saving site then it could potentially be refunded after X posts or whatever (another forum I'm on don't refund, but I was on there before the fee). Having this on another forum I'm on has stopped abuse dramatically - however sad people are, they won't pay to abuse people.....

This tool sent me a PM about Seeya too, you'd at least think they would change them to reflect the person they are contacting! Funny thing is the regulars here know exactly who it is, but MSE can't do anything about it

That would probably put loads of people off signing up though. I wouldn't have signed up had there been a fee, refundable or not.

No idea how easy it would be to implement, but they could do something like make you sign up using an ISP/university/company etc. email address. You generally only get 1 or 2 at most so it would be easy to ban them.

Zack1

callum9999 wrote: »

That would probably put loads of people off signing up though. I wouldn't have signed up had there been a fee, refundable or not.

No idea how easy it would be to implement, but they could do something like make you sign up using an ISP/university/company etc. email address. You generally only get 1 or 2 at most so it would be easy to ban them.

Not a massive fee, just like a fiver or a tenner. Or even offering the option to join for free upon verification of who they are - not charging maybe but at least authorising a credit/debit card to prove somebody is genuine, and storing some of the details to ensure that people can't have multiple signups without manual verification. It's possible to have multiple bank cards, but if the name/address is saved then it would block it - if you use a fake name/address then the card would've authorise....

I understand a fee might put some people off, but this rubbish on here puts me off and I might not be back, I can completely see why others have left. It really can not be left to continue in this fashion IMO, MSE make substantial money to have a lawyer and other people employed - some of that could be used to stop these clowns registering and abusing people that are either providing or looking for help!

The signing up using a non-free (e.g. not Hotmail/Yahoo etc) address is possible - that was in place at the other site before the fee was introduced - the problem is people can easily setup domains, I have 5. Also you can't decide whether a domain counts as a company or not without reviewing it (e.g. Smithandson.com could or could not be a company. zack123.com would be personal). Therefore you have to allow all domains not in a "free" blacklist to have access initially and ban based on abuse reports - and you can't ban an entire domain based on a first abuse report so MSE would need several before they decide it's the same person using multiple IDs (as I can do on all 5 of mine).

As for uni etc it's the same problem, I've got 2 for uni (yea, they're crazy....) and I get another 2 when I re-register...

BugsyBrowne

Izools not on here anymore?

luluE86

hello, wonder if anyone can help, Capital one did a credit search on me then a generic identification search, what does mean? does that count as 2 searches to other lenders? Thank you

BugsyBrowne

luluE86 wrote: »

hello, wonder if anyone can help, Capital one did a credit search on me then a generic identification search, what does mean? does that count as 2 searches to other lenders? Thank you

It will be just the 1 search.

ElkyElky

fermi wrote: »

They then just reboot their router and pick up a new IP from the DHCP pool.

Or use a proxy to mask the IP.

I admin other forums, and believe me, banning by IP is not effective against most of these types.

Sad, but true........

I could reboot my router until I'm blue in the face and it'll still never change IP despite it being dynamic.

What they could do though is manually approve each post for new members.. perhaps for a period of 2 weeks or so - that way, trolls won't be able to troll anymore. I've seen forums implement a system like this and works successfully. The job of approving posts can be left to the board "guides" such as yourself so MSE staff can use their time for money saving things.

Another could be to limit the number of posts a new member can make within 24 hours.

There are lots of ways to stop trolls posting abusive messages completely. The problem is whether the admins can actually be bothered implementing such features.