Kitchen paint vs Endurance paint

misgrace

I second what Keystone has said in his last 3 posts , I get the impression its been skimmed, therefore you wont need to bother with the contract paint for such a small area.
Use the ordinary vinyl as a mistcoat, but thin by about 30% thats if your using a quality make, but something like wicks paints :mad: OMG terrible stuff, I know its thin anyway, but to be on the safe side just thin by about 5%, you want the paint runnyish, but not like P water.
Not only does this seal the plaster ready to take your proper coats, but will show any inperfections in the plaster, you wont see them in the daylight as much, but switch on the artificial light and you will see them.
Then fill where you think it needs it, ie trowel marks, gouges etc.
Once you have filled and sanded down, just touch up where you have filled with the paint then roll/paint as normal.

chivers1977

THanks to both of you.

We have had artex skimmed but also the kitchen has been rewired so there are some areas which were down to the brick. These of course (1 wk later) are still dark where the rest is a nice light colour! Best to wait I reckon. I will go for a decent brand as I would hate the finish to be pants after all the stress of getting the kitchen sorted out.

chivers1977

I said one last question but whoops here comes another!

OK 2 mistcoats, 1 endurance coat. What goes on a kitchen ceiling if you want it brilliant white - do you need to use a similar paint to endurance due to steam etc or can I use the same paint that I have used for the mistcoat just not watered down?

misgrace

Have you had the ceiling skimmed also?, then do your mistcoat the same, then a couple of normal coats of white vinyl matt, or if you want, you can apply the endurance, but I think it would be a waste of money.

In all the years I have been a dec, I can count on one hand the time I have used paint other than the usual Vinly matt on the ceilings.

Unless your kitchen is a soup kitchen, or a cafe lol, where you are cooking all day then you dont have to go too mad with special paints.
Vinyl matt is good enough, but because your not having splashbacks/tiles where they usually are, the endurance is best for you on the walls, the ceilings you can just do like I mentioned.

Again , the same thing, still slightly water your subsequent coats for the ceiling after your mistcoat (if its newly plastered), you dont want to apply any paint too thick from the can specially on new/bare plaster, if you apply too thick you will get brush marks, dragging marks, lumpy roller effect and even the dreaded oranage peel, so by slightly thinning your proper coats, you dont lose any of the coverage, but just makes life a whole lot easier for you, and you will definately get more of a professional finish.:D

Any more problems/help, just ask.

keystone

misgrace wrote: »

I can count on one hand the time I have used paint other than the usual Vinly matt on the ceilings.

Unless its bl....dy silk which some people have a morbid fascination with and which I hate like the plague. Got a whole house to do in white silk - all walls and ceilings - soon.

Cheers

misgrace

keystone wrote: »

Unless its bl....dy silk which some people have a morbid fascination with and which I hate like the plague. Got a whole house to do in white silk - all walls and ceilings - soon.

Cheers

Rather you than me lol, I try and talk them out of using silk, but some people still have the misconcetion that silk is better as its easier to wash down :eek:, but in reality, how many people wash thier ceilings and walls?, its quicker to give them a fresh coat of paint.
There are so many good paints out now, that you dont have to suffer Silk, IMO, its bloody horrible, and unless you have really good walls, then dont go with silk, in fact, do go with silk at all.:D

keystone

Nope - they won't have it. It has to be silk throughout and it has to be white. Bit clinical all over but its a good little earner so can't complain too much but I still hate the stuff!

Cheers

chivers1977

THanks again both. No, the ceilings are not skimmed so Vinyl Matt it is then! At the moment the ceiling is Vinyl silk and I hate hate hate it!

I love this site - where else could you get expertise from professional decorators one minute and then 2 for 1 burgers the next!! :rotfl::rotfl:

misgrace

Just one more thing Chivers You say your ceiling is in Silk and your going matt which is okay, but just follow my instructions for this.
Reason being, is that you can put Silk over matt no problems, but unless you do this right you can have problems applying matt over silk.

I cant see if you mentioned that your ceiling is the orginal artex, or its flat, I know you have had your wall skimmed, which makes me think your ceiling is artexed.

If your ceiling is flat, then you need to sand down the silk, to get some of the shine off, as the matt will not sit on the Silk, specially if the previous person who painted the ceiling applied it on straight from the can, so when you apply the Matt onto Silk without sanding, when you start rolling it can lift off the orginal silk.
So if your ceiling is flat give it a quick sand down and thin your first coat by about 15%, so that it grips the Silk.

If your ceiling is Artexed, then obviously you cant sand down, and hopefully the Silk is quite old, therefore what I would do is to thin the first coat of the matt, as though I was doing a mistcoat, not as much as 30% but perhaps 25%, put that on the ceiling, that will take to the silk no problem, then your next coat paint as normal, but still slightly thin your paint anyway by about 10%

There is other things you can do if your painting over silk, but we wont go there yet, as might be too confusing for you.

I would do an area (if Artexed) like I mentioned, if the Silk lifts or you have problems, then come back to me and I will tell you what to do before you do the whole ceiling and it gives you problems.
Do an area first, and if it holds, then you will be okay.:D

keystone

chivers1977 wrote: »

THanks again both. No, the ceilings are not skimmed so Vinyl Matt it is then! At the moment the ceiling is Vinyl silk and I hate hate hate it!

BUT do not just put the matt straight over the over the silk. It will craze. Rub it down first. Then a coat of soft sheen then your matt. Alternatively a coat of thinned (white spirit) oil based undercoat in place of the soft sheen.

Cheers