~NRP~ Help Needed Desperately!~

Didismump

Thanx for this bdt1 and anyone who reads this...
I feel I have to explain ALL this..in the hope that you or someone else will have a better idea of the whole case......
The assessment stands from 2002..and there has been none since, up to date...
I have been dredging through what paperwork I have on his case and it seems that he received his first paperwork in July 1997 which informed him of the £18,842.85p arrears.
He immediately wrote back (Aug 1997) denying that the child was his and giving all his reasons for his doubt ( already explained in previous post) , which also included that he had been ill with both glandular fever and adult chicken pox during his early 20's and had been informed by his Doctor at the time of suffering both illnesses that he may have been left sterile.
In a letter from the CSA dated October 1997 it clearly states that my Fiance disputed paternity from initial receipt of any correspondance, although the CSA had calculated an 'interim maintenance assessment. It also states that he requested that a DNA test be carried out to provide confirmation that he is the Father of the qualifying child.
It goes on to say that an MEF was sent out in September 1993, and he was advised to indicate whether he denied paternity for the child, but that he failed to return the form or to advise the Agency that he denied paternity.Had he have done so the Agency would have been unable to calculate a Maintenance assessment until such time as the paternity issue had been resolved.

It states quite clearly ''I can advise you that in cases such as this the Agency continues to pursue maintenance until the absent parent produces evidence that he is not the Father.To do otherwise would be to encourage fathers to deny paternity in order to avoid paying maintenance''....

My Fiances letter sent prior (Sept 1997) to receiving this reply had requested the interim assessment to be cancelled, however it was decided by the CSA during the same month that the interim assessment could not be cancelled.

My Fiance was then advised to request a review, which he did in October 1997.
On November 4th 1997 he received a letter (dated Nov.3rd 1997) from the CSA acknowledging his request for a review.
On the same day he received a letter also dated November 3rd 1997 stating quite clearly that the Child Support Officer dealing with his case did not consider that there were reasonable grounds for doing so, therefore a review would not take place.
The reason for this was that the original decision was not
1. Wrong in Law.
2.Based on a mistake to a material fact.
3. Made in ignorance of a material fact.

On Nov 4th 1997 he replied ( as did the Local MP) to both letters querying the conflict of both letters, and added that he felt that he ''should not pay any maintenenance for a child that in his view, was definately not his''.

On November 5th 1997 my Fiances sister wrote a statement/letter of appeal on his behalf stating that his ex g/f (Mother of child) had admitted to her that she had been sleeping with her friends boyfriend whilst still with my Fiance, also during the time that the Baby would have been conceived,thereby making it a possibility of one of two Fathers for the child.
My Fiances sister also notified the CSA during the same letter, that his ex had been using different surnames to obtain credit fraudulantly, as she (his sister) was then living in the property previously lived in by my Fiance and the childs Mother, and had factually had Debt Collectors come to her door requesting to speak with the persons whose names the credit cards had been acquired in. My Fiances ex had obtained credit in her then b/f name, also in an anagram of my Fiances surname, as well as others. (Whilst I know this fraudulant act was not relevent to his case, it proves the manner of the person)...
The CSA did not reply to, or acknowledge this letter or any of this, at any time.

However, a letter dated 12th December 1997 from the CSA to our local MP (who has been fighting this for so many years on my Fiances behalf) stated that after all evidence given by my Fiance and the information given by the Childs Mother, if there was then still insufficient evidence for the reviewing Officer to reach a decision then my Fiance would be invited to take a DNA test at a discounted rate. However he would have to repay the costs if it was found to be that he was the biological Father.

In January 1998 he received another letter giving the reason for the Child Support Officers Decision, which was as follows...''Miss ***** has refuted your claims that you are not the Father of ******* and as you have failed to provide evidence to contradict Miss ***** statement, the Agency is not prepared to look into the issue of paternity any further. You have the right of appeal to a magistrates court against this decision, but solely on the issue of paternity and it may be possible that they request that DNA testing is carried out to resolve the paternity issue beyond reasonable doubt;;.

On the same day he received a statement of arrears which by then was £21,227.85p!!!

He immediately replied stating that he had contacted the local Magistrates Court regarding the matter, and that they had informed him that it was not his responsibility to appeal to the Court, and that the CSA should apply for the DNA test to be carried out on his behalf, simply as the CSA had no conclusive proof that he was the Father. ( He then sent a letter to this effect to the CSA)

He received a reply in Feb 1998 stating ''that as a maintenance assessment had already been made before you disputed paternity,Family Law 1993 states that unless undeniable evidence is provided to confirm your statement, the Child Support Officer will not authorise DNA testing but will give the alleged absent parent right of appeal to a Court instead of to an independant tribunal as would normally be the case if either party was dissatisfied with a decision made under Section 18 of the Child Support Act 1991.''
He was then sent a DEO, and maintenance payments were taken from his wages.

On April 30th 1998 he received a letter from the IMA accounts at the CSA stating that due to the changes in Liability he was left with an outstanding balance of £15,205.19p

From May 11th 1998 he paid £51.88p per week for the 'child' who had STILL not been proven to be his.He carried on paying that amount until the end of 1998, when he then came out of work and moved residence, thereby being at no fixed abode up until we moved in together in Dec 2001.

In early 2002 he started receiving letters on a regular basis again, but refused to pay the full amount requested by the CSA after I had taken over dealing with the case and we had informed them of his incomings and our outgoings.
They accepted an interim agreement until our change of circumstances had been actioned.
Also in 2002 my Fiance,myself and his sister were interviewed by a member of the local CSA regarding the case, but this brought no further answers.

From May 1st 2002 he paid £15 weekly, up until April 5th 2006, (two months after he had ceased working due to him becoming ill). Gradual deterioration of his health then followed and it became apparent that he would be unfit for work for an indefinate period of time.The CSA were informed of this at all times, and eventually also when he was registered disabled due to his illnesses.
Due to becoming in receipt of state benefits he was informed that he no longer needed to make further payments (that letter is missing from the file I have...:( (Dammit!!))

On April 4th 2006 he received a letter saying that he then owed in total £4,078.08p which they wanted paying within 5 working days of receipt of the letter, with an immediate payment of £32.28p.
On May 16th 2006 he received another letter which stated he owed £4,314.36p, again to be paid within 5 working days and the amount to be paid immediately was then £300.96p

On May 27th 2006 I wrote a letter of complaint after calling the CSA , stating that my Fiance had always maintained that the child was not his, even though his name was on her Birth Certificate.
I informed the CSA that factually anyone can place a name on a Birth Certificate, but it does not make them a biological parent. I also informed the person that I wrote to, that we could not obtain a DNA test ourselves as previously explained (way back in 1997), due to the fact that my Fiance had no idea where the child or her Mother lived any longer or what surname they were under.
I informed them also that we could not afford to go to Court due to only being in receipt of benefits, but that I had contacted the Courts regarding this again, and had been given the same answer as before..that we could spend money we could ill afford trying to find where they both were, only to get the case to Court and then the Child and her Mother moving home again without having the DNA test carried out.
I related to my own case during the complaint and queried the dis-similarities of both cases, considering they were both initiated in 1993, and questionned why my ex husband was allowed a funded DNA test having denied paternity three times, whilst his name was on our daughters Birth Certificate,and we were married/living together during the time of her conception and for 7 years after. I queried why my Fiance had been denied this help from the CSA under his whole circumstances, and explained that he would have been willing to refund the cost of the DNA test upon proof of his positive paternity.
I then finalised my complaint by stating that having known my Fiance for a considerable amount of time prior to his relationship with the childs Mother, that I was aware that had my Fiance been proved to be the Childs Father he would have readily accepted his responsibilities and would have wished to have been a part of the Childs life, and as such they had denied him the possibility of this.
I finalised my complaint by stating that IF we could ever find where they were both living and gain a test and it proved to be negative that I would be seeking compensation as well as repayment in full of all costs and monies paid to date.

On June 2nd 2006 a letter was sent out apologising for our dis-satisfaction at the level of service my Fiance had received from the Agency. They concluded this letter by adding that they would be investigating my complaint.
On June 23rd 2006 the CSA sent out a letter informing us that my Fiance would have to apply direct to the Magistrates Court for a DNA test.

On September 11th 2006 a letter was sent to us stating that we then owed £29,068.77p in arrears, on top of the £41.88p that we should have been paying.....
From then on every single letter I received, I argued either on the telephone or via letter that due to my Fiance and I only being in receipt of benefits we could not afford to take the matter to Court, or pay the arrears...
In mid 2008 we received a letter from the CSA informing us that due to the child no longer living at home, the liability for Child Maintenance had ended on April 7th 2008.( This letter is also missing from my file,but I do have the reply I sent back, hence I can relate to accurate dates)

I have always requested in every letter and telephone call that my Fiance wants the DNA test, and they are aware that he has never refused to have one.

In March 2009 we were informed that the DWP would be taking my Fiance to Court for non- payment of arrears.I repeated my answer arguing all the facts as in previous correspondance, and also informing the DWP that we were by then with the CCCS for help with paying our debts off as a token payment,had no savings, were both registered disabled and only in receipt of benefits.
I received no reply to that letter.
However on February 18th 2010 we were sent a (bog standard) letter informing us that the arrears was now at £11,223.85p along with a leaflet on 'How to apply for a DNA test through the Courts'.

On March 8th 2010 I wrote another letter to the CSA, following a call I had made in response to the previous letter received. I again explained the whole situation from start to date and adding that my Fiance now also suffers with suicidal ideation on top of all his other illnesses. I stated that their circumstantial evidence was not by any means factual as it did not place my Fiance as the paternal parent, also that they had not helped us in any way and had mis-handled the case from the very start until present date.
They replied on March 18th 2010, ''with regret that the agency can take no further action regarding the paternity dispute for the following reasons'':-
1..Paternity was deemed to have been accepted when Mr ******* did not respond to the correspondance from the Agency at the time of the initial assessment.
2..Mr.******* also signed the childs Birth Certificate and in law this deems him to be the legal parent of that child, so again paternity cannot be considered an issue in this child support case.
3..The assertions by Mr.*******'s GP that illness prior to the relationship with the childs Mother may have made him sterile is not proof that he is not the Childs Father, as it is not a fact only a supposition.
4..Hearsay,rumour,assumption and circumstantial evidence from acquaintances and relatives about parentage are,again,not sufficient reason to deny paternity.
They again enclosed a leaflet regarding paternity issues....

Our local MP then wrote another letter on our behalf (April 12th 2010) after I had made an appointment to speak with him and explain the still ongoing situation.

In their reply (dated April 19th 2010) they stated that there is no legal requirement for the Agency to 'prove' parentage. It carries on ''In 1993 Miss***** made an application for child support maintenance for the child. She named Mr ******* as the childs Father and gave us full details of his address We did not receive a reply from Mr.******* in respect of our subsequent correspondance which gave him the opportunity to deny paternity of the child and to prove details of his circumstances. In view of this we completed an interim assessment of £95.40 per week with effect from November 15th 1997.An interim assessment does not take into account any of the non-resident parents circumstances. On August 4th 1997 Mr.******* asked us to cancel the interim assessment on the basis that he is not the childs Father. We interviewed Miss.***** when she made a statement confirming again that Mr.******* is the non-resident parent.As Mr.******* did not provide evidence to the contrary we had no grounds to warrant closing the case.....

It goes on to say the same as it has said all along in all letters..that unless my Fiance proves via the Courts (''exercises his right of appeal'') that he is not the Father, or comes up with further evidence then their decision stands.

It seems that apart from contradicting themselves....it is all in the favour of the childs Mother..and we still have no way of obtaining a DNA test simply as we do not have the funds to either find where they are, or to get the test..and there is no Legal Aid to help us do either.

Having had that last letter (dated April 19th 2010) clarify again the amount owed as £11,223.85p, on June 21st 2010 I received a telephone call saying it had now risen to £11,588.81p..so in two months it had risen by £364.96p...
Because I questioned this, the man I spoke to asked if I wanted a full 'Child Maintenance Account Statement' sent through the post.
I agreed to this so that I could ascertain a breakdown of all monies.
The following day the (CMAS)statement arrived with another new amount of £30,325.16p owed!!!
I immediately sent copies of both new amounts to our Local MP via an email, and am now awaiting a reply in regard to all the various amounts that we have had hurled at us...:(

PLEASE excuse that I have written all this out..but if anyone can understand our plight and see through this rotten story then I would REALLY appreciate some help....:(
I can see no other way of proving parentage other than by obtaining a DNA test but how can we when we have no idea where they both are..and now the child is almost 19 years old she cannot be forced into taking the test anyway..
Plus we still have the issue of having no monies to afford the test anyway or to pay the debt off....:(

Bothered and bewildered and fed up with SO many tears and sleepless nights...OMGG!!!!

bdt1

Sounds like your best bet maybe to lodge an appeal on the grounds that prior to 2000 there was no presumption of parentage, as CSA contacted your partner in 1997 then this timeline is applicable. Put in all letters and documents referring to this and the stuff he has written regarding denial of parentage, ask them for the DNA test, on these grounds, and see what they say

bdt1

Oh and by the way they may say you are out of time to appeal, but there is no time limit to appeal when laws etc have been applied incorrectly

Didismump

Hi All....:)
Please find enclosed a copy of the letter I sent to the 'Complaints Dept', 'Client Service Director', 'Appeals Dept' and our Local MP today....:)





To Whom It May Concern.

Having now taken legal advice I wish to place this complaint and appeal in writing to the relevant departments, and request that should you not be able to deal with this complaint/appeal in person, that you copy/pass this letter on to the relevant person/department.
I wish to make this complaint on behalf of my Fianc!, **** ******* (I already have authorisation to speak on his behalf) as due to various telephone conversations from members of the CSA being of an intimidating/threatening nature, I now request that all further contact regarding this case is submitted in writing. I expect this request to be upheld and accepted as stated within the Human Rights Act in the CSA guide.
I also wish to complain about the mishandling and injustice of this case from when it started until present date.

I also wish to appeal against the CSA decision that concluded the arrears figure.
The appeal is based on the facts that prior to 2000 there were no ‘Right of Presumption’ or ‘Presumption of Parentage’ in place as of CSA rulings.
**** case was originally initiated by the C.S.A in 1993 (albeit he did not receive any correspondence regarding the matter until 1997) therefore I have been informed that the above reason as stated by the C.S.A for not entitling him to a funded DNA test does not stand. More so as he was not married to the Childs Mother at any time.
As there is no timeline on an appeal when Laws have been applied incorrectly I am disputing this on his behalf. (See enclosed details of Child Support and Pensions Act 2000)

I also wish to inform the relevant department/s that due to the above reasons I am requesting that any Enforcement or Liability Order, or any further action be suspended with effect of receipt of this letter as I have now requested **** Data Protection File and will be seeking further legal advice once in receipt of this.
You should already be aware that I have previously contacted our Local MP regarding this case, and I will be continuing with investigating the legality of all decisions on **** case via other means.

Yours faithfully,***************


_______________________________________________________________________________



Hope this is ok? As I explained I am not too good on Legal jargon or knowing quite how to word a letter to the CSA, so hope I have worded it correctly...
THANX SO MUCH to all of you who have helped me/us SO far...
*******You are TRULY all GEMS*******


Any further comments or words of advice are always welcomed...:)

kelloggs36

1..Paternity was deemed to have been accepted when Mr ******* did not respond to the correspondance from the Agency at the time of the initial assessment. OP says they did not receive this MEF - you need to establish where it was sent, and on which date. If you weren't living there at that time, if you can prove it, the CSA should re-set the effective date to July 1997 when it was re-sent out.
2..Mr.******* also signed the childs Birth Certificate and in law this deems him to be the legal parent of that child, so again paternity cannot be considered an issue in this child support case.........As the law allowing presumption of parentage in this situation did not come into force until 1/4/01 they should not be refusing on this ground.
...............

bdt1

Data Protection File should hold the information as to where and when the MEF was sent out, hopefully this information, as Kelloggs states will enable you to have the effective date reset to 1997.

Brilliant advice from Kelloggs, and good luck with establishing that your case has been dealt with incorrectly, and that a funded DNA test should have been offered.

Your letter is a good start, hope you sent them recorded delivery, keep print of Royal Mail signature from barcode, and keep paper file of copies of everything from now on. You will get used to compiling letters, this will come over the next few months as you get more and more practice - well done you have started the ball rolling, and if the CSA refuse to suspend enforcement, please approach ICE

kelloggs36

And NACSA.........................................

Didismump

Hi All..:)
I cannot believe HOW helpful and tolerant you have been...and nor can I/we express our gratitude to you enough for all you have said,helped me with or told me to write...
I have re written ( changing them slightly and giving more info, as I only sent the previous one to the Client Service Director and our MP) and sent the letters to both the relevent Complaints and Arrears Depts for our case/area..and yes I did send them ALL via Registered post ( to be signed for)...
I have always kept a file of all that my Fiance has received from the CSA ( he lost alot when he came out of his last relationship..hence the DP file will help MUCH more)...and everything I write or receive is logged in there and on my computer ( he IS a computer buff....but me.....hmmmm I am simply a rubbishy techno-phobe )

I did pull up all the original reasons for him denying parentage and laid them out in both letters..infact it would be easier to post the letter on here, simply as it may NOT be brilliant but I think it (correctly) gets the facts and my point across...

It is not always easy to get your head around putting a letter together...so maybe IF I post it here it may give a few key points to someone in the future...
So here goes...as sent today...via REGISTERED post.... as is a MUST!!!! ( All receipts for the recorded delivery are also now logged in my Fiances file too...
From now on all mail to the CSA will be sent this way so I/we can trace it......

Letter as follows......( anything I have missed PLEASE shout me...Fankoooooo....:))



To Whom It May Concern.

Having now taken legal advice I wish to place this complaint and appeal in writing to the relevant departments, and request that should you not be able to deal with this complaint/appeal in person, that you copy/pass this letter on to the relevant person/department.
I wish to make this complaint on behalf of my Fianc!, **** ******* (as above (I have authorisation to speak on his behalf)) due to various recent telephone conversations from members of the CSA being of an intimidating/threatening nature.
So I now request that all further contact regarding this case is submitted in writing.
I expect this request to be upheld and accepted as stated within the Human Rights Act in the CSA guide.
I also wish to complain about the mishandling and injustice of this case from when it started until present date.

I wish to appeal against the CSA decision that concluded the arrears figure.
Also against the CSA’s reasons for deeming that **** is the paternal parent of the Child, one of which is simply as he signed the Birth Certificate at the time of being in a relationship with the Childs Mother.
This appeal is initially based on the facts that prior to the year 2000 there were no ‘Right of Presumption’ or ‘Presumption of Parentage’ in place as of CSA rulings.

As ****’ case was originally initiated by the C.S.A in 1993 (albeit he did not receive any correspondence regarding the matter until 1997) his case would have been under the rulings of the ‘Child Support Act 1991’ at that time.
The Act of 1991 does not mention anywhere that being on the Childs Birth Certificate is proof of paternity/parentage.
It does however lay out specifically where the parentage cannot be disputed.
**** does not fit into any of these categories.

The Act of 2000 specifically states the circumstances where the CSA can presume parentage, when there was a clear change in the CSA ‘Laws’.
(This does include the NRP’s name being on the Childs Birth Certificate)
As ****' case was initiated prior to 2000 the Laws of the 1991 Act would still have applied, therefore these rulings should have been adhered to.
There is no timeline on an appeal when Laws have been applied incorrectly hence I am disputing this on his behalf. (See enclosed details of Child Support Act 1991 and Child Support and Pensions Act 2000)
For the same reason I am disputing the maintenance assessment, as without proof of paternity, no initial assessment should have been made.
The reason for this is that by their admission, the CSA did not receive the MEF back at any time.
Their reason being that 'Paternity was deemed to have been accepted when Mr. ******* did not respond to the correspondence from the Agency at the time of the assessment', is not lawfully acceptable until proven where **** was living at the time it was sent.
I have now applied for his Data Protection File and once received I will establish where **** was living at the onset of his case opening, and to where the MEF was sent.
If **** was not living at the address the CSA used to send out this form, I will send proof of where he was living, and I then expect his case to be re-set to the date when he informed you he initially received any paperwork (July 1997).

At no time ever has **** ever refused to have a DNA test, however he has denied parentage of the Child from his initial receipt of any CSA paperwork simply based on his knowledge of the Childs Mother also being in a relationship with another man at the same time as he was, and during the time of conception.
It was also previously mentioned that his fertility was extremely doubtful, due to illnesses during the years prior to his relationship with the Childs Mother.

At no time have the CSA offered him a funded test.
This should have been applied simply as the rulings which were in place at the onset of his case.

Finally I also wish to inform the relevant department/s that due to the above reasons I am requesting that any Enforcement or Liability Order, or any further action be suspended with effect of receipt of this letter as previously stated I have requested ****' Data Protection File and will be seeking further legal advice once in receipt of this.
Should this be refused I will be approaching ICE and NACSA regarding his case.

You should already be aware that I have previously contacted our Local MP regarding this case, and I will be forwarding copies of all letters to him, as I intend continuing with my investigations on the legality of this case until such times as I am satisfied that all legalities and laws have been abided by.

Yours faithfully,


So....I leave this with you all (PLEASE do rip it apart if you think it is needed, as I need to get it right and would love to be of help (not hindrance) to any other CSA victims who may be in a total 'brain-frazzle' as to how to piece a letter together) ..and in the meantime I await a reply from all the relevent departments at the CSA to my letters...(Any ideas.....Should I be doing anything else now????..apart from still not sleeping and crying in my cocoa???...All answers on a postcard...;))......:)

PlayingHardball

Didismump wrote: »

Hi All..:)



To Whom It May Concern.

Having now taken legal advice I wish to place this complaint and appeal in writing to the relevant departments, and request that should you not be able to deal with this complaint/appeal in person, that you copy/pass this letter on to the relevant person/department.
I wish to make this complaint on behalf of my Fianc!, **** ******* (as above (I have authorisation to speak on his behalf)) due to various recent telephone conversations from members of the CSA being of an intimidating/threatening nature.
So I now request that all further contact regarding this case is submitted in writing.
I expect this request to be upheld and accepted as stated within the Human Rights Act in the CSA guide.
I also wish to complain about the mishandling and injustice of this case from when it started until present date.

I wish to appeal against the CSA decision that concluded the arrears figure.
Also against the CSA’s reasons for deeming that **** is the paternal parent of the Child, one of which is simply as he signed the Birth Certificate at the time of being in a relationship with the Childs Mother.
This appeal is initially based on the facts that prior to the year 2000 there were no ‘Right of Presumption’ or ‘Presumption of Parentage’ in place as of CSA rulings.

As ****’ case was originally initiated by the C.S.A in 1993 (albeit he did not receive any correspondence regarding the matter until 1997) his case would have been under the rulings of the ‘Child Support Act 1991’ at that time.
The Act of 1991 does not mention anywhere that being on the Childs Birth Certificate is proof of paternity/parentage.
It does however lay out specifically where the parentage cannot be disputed.
**** does not fit into any of these categories.

The Act of 2000 specifically states the circumstances where the CSA can presume parentage, when there was a clear change in the CSA ‘Laws’.
(This does include the NRP’s name being on the Childs Birth Certificate)
As ****' case was initiated prior to 2000 the Laws of the 1991 Act would still have applied, therefore these rulings should have been adhered to.
There is no timeline on an appeal when Laws have been applied incorrectly hence I am disputing this on his behalf. (See enclosed details of Child Support Act 1991 and Child Support and Pensions Act 2000)
For the same reason I am disputing the maintenance assessment, as without proof of paternity, no initial assessment should have been made.
The reason for this is that by their admission, the CSA did not receive the MEF back at any time.
Their reason being that 'Paternity was deemed to have been accepted when Mr. ******* did not respond to the correspondence from the Agency at the time of the assessment', is not lawfully acceptable until proven where **** was living at the time it was sent.
I have now applied for his Data Protection File and once received I will establish where **** was living at the onset of his case opening, and to where the MEF was sent.
If **** was not living at the address the CSA used to send out this form, I will send proof of where he was living, and I then expect his case to be re-set to the date when he informed you he initially received any paperwork (July 1997).

At no time ever has **** ever refused to have a DNA test, however he has denied parentage of the Child from his initial receipt of any CSA paperwork simply based on his knowledge of the Childs Mother also being in a relationship with another man at the same time as he was, and during the time of conception.
It was also previously mentioned that his fertility was extremely doubtful, due to illnesses during the years prior to his relationship with the Childs Mother.

At no time have the CSA offered him a funded test.
This should have been applied simply as the rulings which were in place at the onset of his case.

Finally I also wish to inform the relevant department/s that due to the above reasons I am requesting that any Enforcement or Liability Order, or any further action be suspended with effect of receipt of this letter as previously stated I have requested ****' Data Protection File and will be seeking further legal advice once in receipt of this.
Should this be refused I will be approaching ICE and NACSA regarding his case.

You should already be aware that I have previously contacted our Local MP regarding this case, and I will be forwarding copies of all letters to him, as I intend continuing with my investigations on the legality of this case until such times as I am satisfied that all legalities and laws have been abided by.

Yours faithfully,

Hiya, I am pleased that you have received good advice on how to 'hit back'. I feel as if I'm part of a great big 'vigilante anti-CSA blunders squad' on this forum! The knowledge from people like Kelloggs is amazing - again I have to say a great big thank you to her and bdt1 and CSA_help and loopy...for all the advice you give people like us - like you OP, I didn't have a clue about CSA laws until I found this forum and all these wonderfully helpful people!

You asked for advice about your letter, I thought your letter was a bit too long winded. If it were me, I would have taken out a few bits and I would have condensed the facts a bit more. I have highlighted bits that are probably uneccessary at this stage.

Otherwise, you've covered all of the areas of your complaint and I think it is a very good letter.

Bring on your Data Protection File! That will be some document to trawl through! Again, its been said before, but NACSA are brilliant, I know money is tight, but for a one off joining fee you would be able to send them your DP file and they will pick it apart and direct you from there. (I don't work for NACSA!) But, they've been great for me.

Keep us posted! P.s.....I bet you talk alot in real life!

Didismump

Hi Playinghardball...:)
Hahahahahahahaha!!!
Its the (ex) hairdresser in me....''Are you going anywhere nice on your holidays this year???' (lol) ( Hmmmmmmm holidays...I wish..;))
I wrote the letter out pretty much with help via PM's etc...so am by no means taking credit for it...and am SO thankful to have finally found people who ARE supportive and helpful...
It is rotten but the only people who REALLY understand are those who are, or have been in the thick of it...
And the worst part is it affects everyone around you ...well those that REALLY know the facts and who care enough to want to know...;)

I will be on here every day now...
I have to keep looking for ideas which MAY find me any avenue to follow and pick holes in..and I await the OH Data Protection File for more evidence against the 'Force which shall be Un-named'...
...Grrrrrr :S
Thanx for your reply..and Good Luck to all who are searching for help...It IS here..Thankfully...:)