Budget - tougher for DLA claimants

jennie-jack

do you know i havent ever thought about it. i think its because they are still young.
we are still waiting to see a genetetist to see if this is something that can be avoided or the odds of passing things on and so forth as it is very new to us.

easy

jennie-jack wrote: »

what a silly comment to make...Lots of families have hereditary conditions that are awful.

i hate the thought that i gave my children the condition that i have but i didnt know that i had a genetic condition untill after my children were born so the arguement that i made the choice isnt relevant.

krisskross wrote: »

My comment was specifically aimed at sh1305 who complains about his/her 'entitlements' interminably.

However would you advise your children never to have children of their own if they are ever in the position to do so? Just curious.

I'm afraid I do agree with Krisskross, sh1305 does seem to think that her/his disabilities merit an endless supply of public money, and no one should have the temerity to judge or assess him/her.

I too had disabilities from birth (as did my sister), probably as a result of some genetic incompatibility between my parents, about which they had no idea.
Having brought 2 disabled children into the world, my father worked all his life to ensure we were provided for. He also worked to help the special school we attended raise money to build a hydra-therapy pool.
As it turned out, we were both able to go through mainstream education (it was a struggle) get degrees, and earn our own living. DLA is a help (especially as our peculiar joints start to show signs of wear), but is the only benefit I ever received.

As I said above, our country does try to support those who need help. But being bitter and demanding, because you perceive your life to be harder than everyone else's is unhelpful, and likely to get you nowhere. I don't suggest that we should be overly obsequious and simperingly grateful for the benefits we receive, but I do suggest that we should maintain a realistic view of the situation. Society doesn't owe us a living any more than anyone else, just because we are disabled.

Oh and Krisskross, I do have a son, I became brave when I hit my late 30's and had a baby. But I insisted on frequent scans throughout my pregnancy, and my husband and I agreed that if the child was shown to have abnormalities, I would have an abortion, and not try again.
Happily, he's now a very fit and healthy 10 year old.

Trialia

I can't see half this conversation and am not un-ignoring people for the sake of it, but I say this: the hereditary disabling disorder that I have is one that has no genetic test at present - there's no way to know whether or not one's child will have it, and it carries a 50% chance for the child of a carrier.

My father was not diagnosed with HEDS until after I was, and he's as badly disabled by it as I, because he has the early-onset osteoporosis and arthritis that is a hallmark of it, while I have secondary fibromyalgia syndrome. I have the early-onset joint-damaging stuff yet to come, but he's only 54, and he and my stepmother could in no way afford to support me without help. One would imagine it to be the same way for most families disabled by hereditary conditions! So that suggestion, which I saw quoted, is not the most intelligent I've heard yet...

easy

Trialia wrote: »

So that suggestion, which I saw quoted, is not the most intelligent I've heard yet...

I assume you mean

Perhaps then your parents should shoulder the burden of your additional costs instead of taxpayers who had nothing to do with your illness.

but is it any less intelligent than suggesting that a bunch of strangers should support you for the rest of your life, simply because you had the misfortune to have a parent with a genetic disease ??

Breast_Cancer_Survivor

easy wrote: »

but is it any less intelligent than suggesting that a bunch of strangers should support you for the rest of your life, simply because you had the misfortune to have a parent with a genetic disease ??

That's the differance between us & animals.

People are not left to starve to death just because they have a disability.

Trialia

easy wrote: »

but is it any less intelligent than suggesting that a bunch of strangers should support you for the rest of your life, simply because you had the misfortune to have a parent with a genetic disease ??

Of course it is. I would be happy to be contributing to support people in my lousy position if I were able to work, because I understand what it's like to be this way and I know exactly how life would be for people who did not have that safety net, because some of my friends in other countries are in that dire position.

I honestly think that several people on this thread are showing an alarming lack of empathy and humanity.

If your attitude is that you're healthy and ablebodied, so why should you pay to support others who are not, you're incredibly selfish. I give what help I can to people wherever I can manage it and would do more were I completely well. I cannot comprehend people who don't believe in helping their fellow human beings when they need it. I think it's a reprehensible attitude.

As for the "for the rest of your life" attitude goes, well, they find new cures and treatments for various conditions every few years, don't they? (Unfortunately for me, there is not much research going on into mine!) And yes, I know this is an argument towards re-evaluation, so before you point that out, I don't object to being re-evaluated, I just object to it being done by ATOS and people who don't know what they're doing.

easy

Trialia wrote: »

Of course it is. I would be happy to be contributing to support people in my lousy position if I were able to work, because I understand what it's like to be this way and I know exactly how life would be for people who did not have that safety net, because some of my friends in other countries are in that dire position.

I honestly think that several people on this thread are showing an alarming lack of empathy and humanity.

If your attitude is that you're healthy and ablebodied, so why should you pay to support others who are not, you're incredibly selfish. I give what help I can to people wherever I can manage it and would do more were I completely well. I cannot comprehend people who don't believe in helping their fellow human beings when they need it. I think it's a reprehensible attitude.

But that only works if there are enough people in the world who are able-bodied and able to work to support all the others. And if those you are supporting understand that there have to be limits to the support that you can provide.

You and sh seem to be of the opinion that you should be allowed to say "oooh, I'm disabled, I can't look after myself", and everyone else will rally round, and give you whatever money YOU deem you need, without asking you to show that you really need it.

No matter how altruistic a society we live in, It CAN'T work like that.

seven-day-weekend

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Believe it or not, there are plenty of people who have never claimed a penny in unemployment benefits or sickness benefits in the whole of their working lives. Being on and off benefits may not be anybody's fault but it's hardly a normal way of living.

I'm also one of these people. Apart from Child benefit, the only money I have ever had from the State is my Retirement Pension.

I don't begrudge benefits to anyone who is entitled to them, but I really think it is the exception rather than the norm to claim them for long periods. Or at least it is amongst people I know, anyway. (Of course most of them are my age, so we didn't have tax credits, money for childcare and all the other freebies people get for having children these days).

Trialia

I'm not complaining that they want to check I am entitled under their rules - I know I am that. What I'm complaining about is ATOS' level of incompetence in general, their way of going about it - and the fact that our government always seem to target the disabled and those in poverty when trying to find somewhere to cut funds, and not the multitude in big business who engage in tax evasion, yet we are the ones who get demonised in the media. That's really not fair at all.

Indie_Kid

krisskross wrote: »

Perhaps then your parents should shoulder the burden of your additional costs instead of taxpayers who had nothing to do with your illness.

My parents are tax payers too. Up until April of this year, neither of them and myself knew that one of them had given me a genetic disease. They didn't know until my dad was 43 that he also has a genetic disease.

what a silly comment to make...Lots of families have hereditary conditions that are awful.

Exactly. Should this also mean that people stop breeding altogether because there's a chance (which I know is higher for women 35+) that thy'll give their child Downs Syndrome?