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studentphil

Surely the point is given the entry requirements at top uni the work produced for all the grades is going to be so much higher than a place taking lower grades.

surely the standard of a third is higher from oxford than a third from sunderland, as the entry requirements are so different it is impossible for the courses to be at the same standard.

Zziggi

melancholly wrote:

very true
e.g. for modern languages hull is one of the best places to go,

You must be fr1ggin' joking!!!!!

Been there, done that and believe me the standard of teaching was NOT very high.

talksalot81

studentphil wrote:

surely the standard of a third is higher from oxford than a third from sunderland, as the entry requirements are so different it is impossible for the courses to be at the same standard.

I would say yes on point 1 (though given the huge range for a first, the same does not necessarily apply). Second point... entry requirements shouldnt effect matters. It may well result in better graduates because they work harder, but there is no reason why the course difficulty couldnt be the same.

Rosie75

Interestingly, York is not in the Russell Group but is consistently ranked around 6th or 7th in league tables. As a previous poster has noted, the Russell Group is simply a consortium - it's therefore ridiculous for employers to use -membership of the group to determine a graduate's employability. Other well-regarded universities such as Durham and Sussex also aren't members.

Tweek_1984

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This has been going on for years. Although I question the wisdom of limiting the choice-list to the Russell Group. I'm up at York, which is consistently ranked highly in the league tables and is not a member. Then you have other places like Durham.

I do think that sometimes, the institution can be a deciding factor. A good 2:1 from Oxbridge is probably equal to a 1:1 in certain other places. This is not considered the 'acceptable' thing to say since there is an attitude by some that all institutions are equal. I disagree.

At graduate level, things may be a bit different. Some of us have to go wherever there is funding. This may not always be those institutions at the top of the league tables.

melancholly

Zziggi wrote:

You must be fr1ggin' joking!!!!!

Been there, done that and believe me the standard of teaching was NOT very high.

unfortunately it's one of the few places in the country to offer a wide variety of languages...... might not be the 'best' uni, but if you want to do something obscure it comes top of a very short list!

Zziggi

melancholly wrote:

unfortunately it's one of the few places in the country to offer a wide variety of languages...... might not be the 'best' uni, but if you want to do something obscure it comes top of a very short list!

Really? I am genuinely curious about this one. I know the offer the bog-standard french, spanish, italian german and the slightly more unusual dutch, swedish. They used to more like russian and arabic but you're talking before the 1990s....

melancholly

Zziggi wrote:

Really? I am genuinely curious about this one. I know the offer the bog-standard french, spanish, italian german and the slightly more unusual dutch, swedish. They used to more like russian and arabic but you're talking before the 1990s....

just had a quick look at hull's website - i stand corrected - i only graduated in 2002 (but from hull but knew quite a few people there) and it was one fo the only places offering less standard modern languages. now they only seem to do french, german, italian and spanish..... quite scary that so much has changed so quickly (or that i'm getting old so quickly, one of the two!). it used to have a really good reputation for languages...... it seems no-one's studying them anymore, even fewer than chemistry!

Mrs_pbradley936

melancholly wrote:

quite scary that so much has changed so quickly (or that i'm getting old so quickly, one of the two!). it used to have a really good reputation for languages...... it seems no-one's studying them anymore, even fewer than chemistry!

You are getting old - you must be all of 25!

They used to steer you in the direction of arts or science after O levels, I'm not sure that anybody made actual choices.