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radaas

err hmmm.. noticed Bristol Uni are part of the Russel group,
The thing is UWE Bristol's "Bristol Business School" has been churning out very good graduates and have very good facilities.

Because of this, the Business Faculties of both Universities are merging, so will that mean i am a part of this here Russel Group?

melancholly

The_doomed wrote:

Unjustified? Nonsense. Look beyond the sandstone walls

i have looked from well within the sandstone walls of 3 different russell group universities thank you (well actually i haven't seen one sandstone wall - some very nice brick or stone ones though ).

there are plenty of people in the world who i would not get on with (for example people with strongly negative opinions on people they've never met!) and of course, there are plenty at every university too. that is an entirely different matter from saying that everyone at these universities is just a nasty person - it's untrue, unfair and screams of bitterness.

you have no idea of the academic (in terms of school), social or financial background of people who go there and I resent you making such horrible judgements of me because i did. even if someone is from a wealthy background, why does that automatically make them pompus anyway?

you clearly have a chip on your shoulder for some reason but that's not an excuse to be rude to the many people who use this board who are at red brick unis (there seem to be hundreds from manchester to start with!). if you can't judge an individual for who they are, it's your loss!

studentphil

A top uni only helps you if you are going for grad training schemes, if you are just entering the jobs market for normal jobs with a BA geography say, the graduate doing business studies at the new uni will be more employable.

The_doomed

Daniel1234 wrote:

As a student intending to study there, can anyone tell me where St. Andrews stands for an employer? I'm studying computer science, though I may change to politics and philosophy.

In particular I've heard people say "anyone who graduates there can look for a £60,000 salary immediately". (I rather doubt this..) And "It has the best computer science department in Europe". (Well I wouldnt quite say that...)

Anyone clear this up for me? Cheers!

Daniel

very good reputation. surprised it isnt on the list above, probably because st andrews the town isnt big enough!

The_doomed

melancholly wrote:

i have looked from well within the sandstone walls of 3 different russell group universities thank you (well actually i haven't seen one sandstone wall - some very nice brick or stone ones though ).

there are plenty of people in the world who i would not get on with (for example people with strongly negative opinions on people they've never met!) and of course, there are plenty at every university too. that is an entirely different matter from saying that everyone at these universities is just a nasty person - it's untrue, unfair and screams of bitterness.

you have no idea of the academic (in terms of school), social or financial background of people who go there and I resent you making such horrible judgements of me because i did. even if someone is from a wealthy background, why does that automatically make them pompus anyway?

you clearly have a chip on your shoulder for some reason but that's not an excuse to be rude to the many people who use this board who are at red brick unis (there seem to be hundreds from manchester to start with!). if you can't judge an individual for who they are, it's your loss!

I judge people as I meet them more than most. The vast majority of students I know who have attended or do attend sandstone unis are pompous !!!!!.

Who said anying about wealth? Perhaps you are jumping to conclusions? I wonder why?! Point proven. Next....

talksalot81

My take is that rather than students not knowing, many dont care. Alot I know end up in jobs which are basically no better than they could have had with A-levels. For many, university is a good excuse not to have to work for 3 years, have a good laugh and relax. There are the odd few who think that a degree in media studies from the University of Ahoghill actually makes them shine, but they are in the minority.

In any case, I suspect that those at a 'lesser' institution who really care would be working hard and getting 1sts. Now I think a first even here will be something to be noticed by. It may not match up to a first elsewhere, but there aren't too many firsts from major institutions (even if it is ridiculouly low grades to get there - like come on, 70%!?)

DrFluffy

talksalot81 wrote:

My take is that rather than students not knowing, many dont care. Alot I know end up in jobs which are basically no better than they could have had with A-levels.

The 'issue' is that most of the jobs that were classed as school leaver jobs when I left school are now classed as graduate jobs - qualifications have become so devalued that A-Levels do not cut it anymore. I almost !!!!!! myself when I saw that assistant manager at McDonalds is classified as a graduate level job for Government statistics returns...

cupid_s

talksalot81 wrote:

but there aren't too many firsts from major institutions (even if it is ridiculouly low grades to get there - like come on, 70%!?)

i don't understand this comment (the bracketed bit mainly) can you just explain please

talksalot81

cupid_stunt wrote:

i don't understand this comment (the bracketed bit mainly) can you just explain please

Most unis seem to award a First to anyone above 70%. That really isnt a very high percentage. You can get nearly a third of the degree 'wrong' and still get a first class degree. You can get basically half wrong and still be getting a 2.2 degree which I guess is 'average'. I think the grading is way too easy. Bump it up 10% and then a First really means someone has done very well and it also means slackers at the bottom get less and have to work else they have a genuine risk of failing.

I will note that I am irked because I got a First with nearly 90% yet I get absolutely no acknowledgement above someone with 20% less. That is just plain stupidity.

cupid_s

see at my university for my course all your percentages are converted to marks out of 90. then 70 marks was a first. so you needed 78% to get a first class degree anyway. and if you got 80 marks out of 90, ie more than 89% there is a whole new degree classification of an excellent first.

i know that with this way of classification out of about 300 students in my year only 13 got a first so it did really mean something.

i do agree that getting 70% for a first shouldn't be too difficult considering we needed 78% but it depends on the difficulty of questions set at different universities.

when we wrote essays. if they were excellent and the student couldn't really do better they were awarded a first class mark (ie a mark of 70 or just over). if you wrote an essay better than the lecturer could have done you might have been lucky and got a mark of 80. also i did one MCQ in which I got 98%. This obviously became a mark of 88 out of 90 after scaling down. then because i'd done so much better than everyone else they scaled it down so that my mark was 75 and everybodies was lowered by the same scaling as a result

the marking is so weird at different places but if 70% is a first at a uni, yet still only 3-5% of people are getting that then it's still sorting out the best of the best.

i think a standard excellent first in all unis would be good though