School declined holidays and branded the kids truants

sunshinetours

Murphy_The_Cat wrote: »

What about the parents that use it as an opportunity to go day tripping from home, or to see family that live at the other end/s of the country ?

Don't really see it matters ultimately what you choose to do, its the fact that either you cannot do these things in non term time or you can

I've already said in extenuating circumstances (that probably don't apply to many people) there may be reasons for some days off in term time if its the difference between quality family time together and little time together. I however don't believe that applies to many people (purely IMO of course)

Do you believe its correct that some families choose to go in term time purely because its cheaper, even though they could just as easily go in non term time, albeit maybe slightly less often??

Murphy_The_Cat

sunshinetours wrote: »

Don;t really see it matters ultimately what you choose to do, its the fact that either you cannot do these things in no term time or you can

For some posters on here, it seems to matter enormously -- there seems to be quite a heavy dose ' green eye' when people are referring to holidays abroard.

Do I believe its correct that some famolies choose to go in term time, purely because its cheaper, even though they could just as easily in term time ? I'll be honest, I couldn't give a monkeys !! They do what they consider is best for their family and I do what I feel is best for mine. It has zero impact on me (& mine), has nothing to do with me and I mind my own business.

sunshinetours

Murphy_The_Cat wrote: »

For some posters on here, it seems to matter enormously -- there seems to be quite a heavy dose ' green eye' when people are referring to holidays abroard.

Do I believe its correct that some famolies choose to go in term time, purely because its cheaper, even though they could just as easily in term time ? I'll be honest, I couldn't give a monkeys !! They do what they consider is best for their family and I do what I feel is best for mine. It has zero impact on me (& mine), has nothing to do with me and I mind my own business.

With the greatest of respect your sizeable contribution to this discussion maybe doesn't suggest the same!

If everyone didn't "give a monkeys" and just minded their own business then there would be no point in having any rules in a society. We either have rules or we don't.

I can't believe so many seem to struggle to grasp a concept that flouting rules for your own sakes (not for any strong held moral beliefs but just because "I can") is poor life lesson to teach. Espeically all those who rightly agreed that education continues throughout life and outside the classroom. Personally I think that shows maybe a lack of a moral compass in certain areas of their beliefs and values.

One of the main issues seems to be lack of consistency in applying the rules which certainly isn't right.

blue_monkey_2

jackieblack wrote: »

It's not the 28 days, it's the "of whatever date they choose to be able to go on holiday and can choose the cheapest times"!

Many employees have no choice when they take their holiday

From directgov -
"Your employer can decide when some or all of your holidays must be taken. For instance, they may require you to take some of your holiday to cover the bank holidays, or may require the whole company to take holiday during a Christmas shutdown."

My husband can take his holidays whenever he likes. Even I have worked at places where they have shutdown and can choose whether or not to get paid for that shutdown. People usually do as it is easier, however, that still leaves 4 weeks that can be taken whenever they like. The employer does not dictate the whole of the holiday period. Unless of course you are a teacher or work in a school but then you do know this when you take the job and the 'luxury' of these jobs is that you get the entire time of not needing childcare and being able to be with your children for the whole of their summer holiday.

Besides, teachers earn more than enough to be able to afford the higher prices the TA charge, don't they?

blue_monkey_2

sunshinetours wrote: »

The work analogy has already been mentioned.if you work in teh private sector for example, just try and say I am going on holiday for two weeks whether you like it or not and see what reaction you get. I know what mine would be if it was said to me

My friend is a nurse, she can pick and choose when she goes on holidays without question.

blue_monkey_2

I don't go when it is cheaper, I go when it is quieter and when it is cooler because my son has Autism and could not cope with lots of people or it being hot. Obviously school holidays it is manic and summer holidays overseas are very hot. Should he not be allowed to go on holiday because he has a disability that stops us going at 'convenient' times other people can go?

Murphy_The_Cat

sunshinetours wrote: »

With the greatest of respect your sizeable contribution to this discussion maybe doesn't suggest the same!

If everyone didn't "give a monkeys" and just minded their own business then there would be no point in having any rules in a society. We either have rules or we don't.

I can't believe so many seem to struggle to grasp a concept that flouting rules for your own sakes (not for any strong held moral beliefs but just because "I can") is poor life lesson to teach. Espeically all those who rightly agreed that education continues throughout life and outside the classroom. Personally I think that shows maybe a lack of a moral compass in certain areas of their beliefs and values.

One of the main issues seems to be lack of consistency in applying the rules which certainly isn't right.

you asked me what my opinion on parents taking term time holidays was etc etc and I gave it to you :beer:
As for not giving a monkeys and minding my own business, there is a very good reason for this. In society there are all sorts of ills, wrongs, injustices and things that are plain 'just not right' - lots and lots and lots of them, and all are things that I have absolutely buggger all influence over, and, if I'm honest, little or no interest in.

However, I do have enormous influence over things that do concern me, my family & my business and I concentrate my limited time and meagre talents on these things.

In other words, by and large, if it doesn't concern/interest me I let it jog on by, if it does concern/interest me, I get my finger out to make a real difference.

My son has some of his school buddies currently off school for term time holidays. It has no affect on me or him (he's playing tag with someone else ATM) and my only thoughts are 'poor sodes going to X for a fortnight, I'd rather saw my leg off' rather that self righteous indignation that they should a family holiday as somehow being more worthwhile than 10 days schooling.

BTW, in their case, its not flouting the nruiles, its taking advantage of agreed terms and conditions, something that has made the owner of this site very wealthy.

As for my moral compass, you'd need to meet me to judge it properly. :beer:

blue_monkey_2

Oh, and it's not just abroad.

I've just paid almost £700 for 4 DAYS at Butlins in the August Summer Holidays. If I choose to go now it'll cost me around £200. Holidays anywhere are expensive for families and if it means the poorer families can get a holiday then 10 days should be allowed otherwise you are creating a 2 tier system and the 'poor' children will always be picked on for going without.

No a holiday is not essential but I love going away so I can get away from the stresses of life, the post, work, not getting up in the morning, HOUSEWORK (and being stuck in with kids messing up the house you tidied). It is nice to get up and go to the beach and not have to sit in traffic for 2 hours to get there because everyone else is off that day. Everybody needs that, even if it is just for a few days, however for the poorer, lower paid families they would not be able to afford a holiday in the summer holidays so why should they lose out.

blue_monkey_2

sunshinetours wrote: »

With the greatest of respect your sizeable contribution to this discussion maybe doesn't suggest the same!

If everyone didn't "give a monkeys" and just minded their own business then there would be no point in having any rules in a society. We either have rules or we don't.

I can't believe so many seem to struggle to grasp a concept that flouting rules for your own sakes (not for any strong held moral beliefs but just because "I can") is poor life lesson to teach. Espeically all those who rightly agreed that education continues throughout life and outside the classroom. Personally I think that shows maybe a lack of a moral compass in certain areas of their beliefs and values.

One of the main issues seems to be lack of consistency in applying the rules which certainly isn't right.

But the 'rules' state schools can give 10 days holiday.

I figure the school is the OP is a school that has a very high rate of Truancy or Unauthorised absences and so they are making sure they keep as many children in school during term-time by not letting kids go on holiday and thus keeping them within limits for Ofsted/LEA. So others suffer because they cannot make their school one that children actually want to go to.

Which begs the question, if the school gave more leaway would this lower the truancy/unauthorised absence numbers? Interesting.

Murphy_The_Cat

blue_monkey wrote: »

Which begs the question, if the school gave more leaway would this lower the truancy/unauthorised absence numbers? Interesting.

& perhaps sickness days as well !