WARNING!!! Must Read!!! Legal Danger

crutches

i love this site and as a very lowincome large family(self employed below minimumwage)it has made a huge difference to our lives.
I have no credit cards etc so it is the day to day small stuff which helps.I hope those who abuse offers and the site realise that they are spoiling it for others but i suspect they don't care.

pin

Fraud can be defined as: "The obtaining of a material advantage by unfair and wrongful means; it involves obliquity. It involves the making of a false representation knowingly, or without in its truth, or recklessly.... A contract obtained by fraud is voidable at the option of the injured party."

lyniced

As far as the Boots codes are concerned, I never used multiple accounts, as some did. I certainly felt this was going too far. I felt the same way with the La Redoute codes. I like a bargain like anyone else, but lets not get too greedy.

scattycat_3

Marigold123 wrote:

EDIT: Look what I DID find, though! This was in the Early Day Motions of the House of Commons, dated 20th January this year.

564 MONEY SAVING ADVICE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC 20:1:05
Mr Gregory Campbell
Mr Nigel Dodds
Mr Jeffrey M. Donaldson
Bob Spink
* 4
That this House commends the activities of those persons and groups dedicated to assisting members of the public get value for money in purchases, insurance, overdrafts and mortgages; and recognises that money saving experts like Martin Lewis at http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ provides, on a not-for-profit basis, an incentive for ordinary consumers to pressurise large providers and financial institutions to hold down prices to the general public.

I'm sending this to Martin directly, in case he hasn't seen it.

Great find Marigold. Bump for HMV

You have fans in High Places Martin, your efforts are being recognised.
Buck house in July? you should be glowing with pride.

Regards Scat

Marigold123

David_Brent wrote:

The way I look at using the codes is, for example when you goto a supermarket checkout hand over a voucher the cashier then has the option to accept it or decline it, if they accept it great, if not "oh well" , the exact thing is the same online, they have to option to turn away your order using their online system..as all these companies do.

Many supermarkets mis-price goods by mistake and at cashouts they are put through, and once the item is payed for its yours - does that make you a theif ? To compare using a online voucher to theft is absurd. The real issue is these companies have tried to continue using outdated online ordering sytems, and have tried to save money by not upgrading and got stung for it.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not calling anyone a thief! - That was just my open door analogy.

I meant that just because a company has failed to protect itself adequately, (and more fool them, in my view!), it doesn't mean we are legally in the right if we choose to contravene the terms and conditions laid down on their website just because we can.

I was more concerned with the thought, 'Can they do us for taking advantage of their mistakes?'

I think the answer to this is probably yes, in theory, if the terms and conditions clearly state that you are not allowed to do what you have just done. In practice, I shouldn't think they'd bother.

Hope this clarifies my meaning.

purplepatch

Marigold123 wrote:

This is the one that I read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/02/code_sainsburys/

Some interesting stuff in there, but apparently Martin has asked us not to discuss the specific issue on the boards until it has been resolved. Nothing to say we can't pass on web links to articles, though.

(If posting the link here is NOT acceptable, please, Martin or mods, do remove it - or PM me and I'll remove it myself.)

I had seen this one, but the way that Martin says that 4 papers carried the full story and the fact that he says Sainsburys were "reading the site and using tracking" sounds like there is more to be read.

The requests to not discuss date back to November, I would imagine that enough time has passed now??

mrme

Sorry, I guess I have posted a few codes in the grab it thread so people would see it and be able to make use! Didn't realise I was putting the site in any danger :eek: Perhaps to protect the site discount vouchers should only be used if the full t&c's are posted with it otherwise it is deleted as soon as it is posted

David_Brent

Why were the boots codes removed, as they were published in the News Of The World newspaper for everyone to see?

needmoney

Sub wrote:

What? The might of Sainsbury legal department? Oh don't be such a tart Martin.

The "might" of Sainsburys legal department is largely over those who are willing to tremble and cower in fear of a couple of sternly worded but ultimately impotent letters. Get a grip man, or at least, get some good legal advice of your own so that you properly understand you can safely tell them to go take a running jump.

I would have hoped such a prominent "consumer champion" would display rather more gumption when some corporate behemoth wags it's finger at him. But apparently not.

There is nothing criminal taking place on this board, so, in the words of the immortal Michael Winner, "Calm down Dear...."

Is it just I who think posts like this are amazingly rude?

sunflower_2

needmoney wrote:

Is it just I who think posts like this are amazingly rude?

i was quite embarrassed by it to be honest !!!

made me feel v uncomfortable