Strange question re blood, fish and bone feed

BargainGalore

Not all vegetarian are against wearing leather its more to do with what food you consume rather than how it is grown and or what products you wear

I am veggie and use this I have been veggie most of my life and I also wear leather

Mojisola wrote: »

If you are a vegetarian who is a veggie because you don't think animals should die for you, it would be hypocritical to use animal by-products to grow your veg. It would be like being veggie and wearing leather.

Mojisola

BargainGalore wrote: »

Not all vegetarian are against wearing leather its more to do with what food you consume rather than how it is grown and or what products you wear

There are lots of reasons for being veggie, eg some people just don't like the flavour and texture of meat, others think that a non-meat diet is healthier, others make the choice because they don't want animals to die so they can eat.

I didn't make clear what I meant in other post -
"If you are a vegetarian who is a veggie because you don't think animals should die for you, it would be hypocritical to use animal by-products to grow your veg. It would be like being veggie and wearing leather."

The second sentence would have been better phrased as "It would be like that kind of veggie wearing leather."

Filey

katholicos wrote: »

Though when we stop and think about it, yes, soil is decomposed organic matter...things that have lived at one time or another, including people.

To dust we all return though so i hope i can help someone elses growing endeavours when i've shuffled off

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At the end of the day, as at the beginning, everything is made of the same elements - carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, potassium, sodium and so on. Animals, insects, fruit and vegetables, cabbages and kings, rocks and minerals, all are all different combinations of the basic elements. And when all these things die or decay, they all eventually, in different timescales, go back to being the original components. And then they ultimately re-combine to make other animals, insects, cabbages and kings, etcetera etcetera.

I tell my small grand daughter that when we die we change back to star dust, which is, in the big scheme of things, true.

Rosebud24

Dare we ask if there are any MSE veggie allotmenteers here and if they use manure, chicken poo, blood, fish and bone etc and what their views are?

I am vegetarian because I don't agree with the general welfare standards of the meat industry (the space they live in, the way they are killed etc). I see blood, fish and bone as part of this industry, so don't use it on principle. (I have however used horse manure, which comes from stables where the horses are well kept).

However, I agree with the view that soil has all sorts of matter in it and I wouldn't mind eating the OPs vegetables! It would be very difficult to eat anything not grown at home if you were wanting to know what everything had been grown in!

Perhaps I'll just keep it to the veg she doesn't like

Why don't you just ask your friend what she thinks? I'm sure she'd be happy to tell you about her beliefs.

If you are a vegetarian who is a veggie because you don't think animals should die for you, it would be hypocritical to use animal by-products to grow your veg. It would be like being veggie and wearing leather.

BTW, I do wear leather shoes. I didn't used to, but I kept getting smelly fungal feet! I was also trying to weigh up what was worse: the environmental impact of wearing synthetic shoes, or wearing leather shoes. Oh, the moral conundrums of modern life! :huh: Anyway, my point is that everyone has different standards and different ways of looking at things.

Doom_and_Gloom

I'm vegan and I would rather no animal product or by-product be used to grow the food I eat. When I was at my parents I was able to grow a little just by using dirt, compost (non-animal), plant feed (non-animal) and water. The plants grew well and although I lost some of them due to many reasons I was very happy with the results. Unfortunatly I can't really grow much more than herbs where I am now and most places do use animal products of some form in the growing of plants :mad:. If I find a place that doesn't use any animal products or animal by-products and will deliever/I can get to I will certainly start buying my food from them instead though.

fimonkey

Mt two penneth worth - I am veggie, have been ever since I was a kid - animals are my friends and I don't want to eat my friends that's how simply I see it.

.. As I got older (teens, early 20's) life became more complicated and I learnt more about the animal farming industry. I reacted by cutting out gelatine, vitamin D from animal sources, leather, suede, eggs (cos free range ones could be fertilised - never know) Cochineal (red food colouring).. the list started to become endless! - I retrospectively pity those who put up with my fussiness for my cause (not that I ever pushed my views on to others).

Now I have a few more years wisdom, I have a live and let live attitude -I have no desire for an animal to specifically die for me and I still humanely remove slugs from my plants and take them to the park - but I also don't stress about using utensils also used for meat on my BBQ, my new leather sandals are nice, I go out for the odd meal that no doubt has animal fat sneaked in there somewhere (especially if roasted/fried). My life has become simple again but I still make my own personal decision to not eat meat/fish - that's where I personally draw the line.

So my advice is speak to your friend and see what she says, we all might be 'veggies' but even the occasional chicken/fish eater will call themselves 'veggie' we're all individuals in a collective group.

pookiewn

There are some very interesting points of view, thank you.

My friend wears leather, eats eggs and dairy, but doesn't eat meat due to seeing how they were treated a long time ago. But she has to be the fussiest veggie I know, hardly likes any veg so wont be difficult to not feed the ones she likes, :rotfl:

However, I agree with the view that soil has all sorts of matter in it and I wouldn't mind eating the OPs vegetables! It would be very difficult to eat anything not grown at home if you were wanting to know what everything had been grown in!

Rose, thank you! Your not too far away I think, lol.

izzwizz_2

stilernin wrote: »

Dare we ask if there are any MSE veggie allotmenteers here and if they use manure, chicken poo, blood, fish and bone etc and what their views are?

I am not being confrontational, I just think that this is an interesting debate.

I'm veggie. We don't use bonemeal (mostly to do with knowing about microbiology and not wanting prion diseases in my soil). I'm quite happy with using chicken poo from our own hens (and free range hens are NOT veggie no matter what feed you buy them, they love slugs, snails, worms, woodlice, flies and even the odd mouse :eek:). I believe in thinking things through for yourself and making your own ethical decisions on things, so do what you can live with. :beer:

I do want to say that I admire the op for having enough respect for their friend to even think about this question though. :T My advice is to ask your friend what they're happy to eat.

stumpycat

Mojisola wrote: »

If you are a vegetarian who is a veggie because you don't think animals should die for you, it would be hypocritical to use animal by-products to grow your veg. It would be like being veggie and wearing leather.

Well, I'm a veggie (and have been for 36 years) and I would rather see by-products of the meat industry used productively as opposed to just being chucked away.

I used to do research with mosquitoes. They were fed on cow blood which I collected from the slaughter house and poured into lambs' gut condoms (mosquitoes just bounce off latex ones :rotfl:)

The alternative was to let them feed from my arm, which I tried for a while (but several hundred mosquitoes feeding from you is probably not going to do you the world of good...) or let them feed from an anaesthetised guinea pig, which I thought was incredibly cruel.

I would imagine that vegetarians have a whole range of opinions on the use of animal by-products...