Is homemade bread really healthier than shop bought?

geordie_joe

freyasmum wrote: »

I know, that's what I said

I'd be willing to lay money on the fact that most people who see 'fortified with iron, calcium, etc' would assume that the manufacturers have actually added extra to the product, not just put back what they had to take away. That's what I was pointing out, they haven't actually added anything extra, just put back what they took away in the first place soo.... anything you make at home isn't going to be any worse for you than what you can buy, rather the opposite.

Sorry, I mis-read your post and thought you meant putting iron and calcium etc. in was a marketing ploy. Now that I have re-read your post I agree that the way they word it makes it look like they have added more, not just replaced what was lost in the process.

lindadykes

Ginger_Snap wrote: »

I loved the taste and texture of my homemade bread but have had to stop making it as I got a really swollen stomach and didn't feel well at all. I was probably eating more bread than usual as it was so yummy (usually I only have a slice or two a day or shop bought bread) but do not know if there was any other reason for not feeling well on it.

It could well be that this is because you were eating more bread than normal.

I was actually the opposite, once I began making my own bread I stopped getting a swollen belly and feeling unwell. I now find that on the odd ocassion when I do have to eat shop bought bread I really suffer. the exception is if I buy organic bread and I always use organic flour at home so I wonder if it's something allowed in the non organic bread that is not in either organic bread or my home made bread?

Incidently my home made bread has only three ingredients - organic flour, yeast and salt.

geordie_joe

Sorry, but I've got to do this.

ceridwen wrote: »

Anyways:
1. The flour is not stoneground (which reduces the nutritional value)

This is just not true. Some people think using steel rollers to grind flour destroys some of the vitamins, iron etc. This is because the rollers get warm/hot and heat destroys vitamins, iron etc. However, all the vitamins, iron etc are removed in the germ, so there isn't any in the grain when it is ground anyway. Once the flour is ground the vitamins, iron etc. are put back into the flour.

You have to put back the vitamins in stoneground flour just the same as steel roller ground flour. So the above quote from the book is just not true.

ceridwen wrote: »

2. The flour is mixed with water, soya flour (NB most soya beans now are g*netically-modified),

This again is mis-leading, for several reasons.

Most soya grown in the USA is GM, but the yanks love GM crops. Most soya grown in Europe is not GM. The reason is we won't eat the stuff.

If bread is sold it the UK with GM soya in it then it would have to be labelled GM.

No manufacturer would make bread with GM soya in it to sell in the UK, if they did we wouldn't buy it. We don't like GM stuff, in fact, we are terrified of it, we think it is toxic and it will kill us, and if it doesn't actually kill us it will cause us to grow another head or a third boob! Not only that, the fanatics that go round destroying GM crops would probably burn the bakery down.

ceridwen wrote: »

Thats it very basically from what John Harrison says (but do get the book and read the full 2 pages worth).

I won't waste my money, the author obviously twists things and tells lies to make his book more interesting.

SailorSam

I don't know if it's healthier, but i think it's a lot more fattening.
'Cos it's so tasty, especially when it's hot. you eat more and thicken it with butter.

ceridwen

geordie_joe wrote: »

Sorry, but I've got to do this.



This is just not true. Some people think using steel rollers to grind flour destroys some of the vitamins, iron etc. This is because the rollers get warm/hot and heat destroys vitamins, iron etc. However, all the vitamins, iron etc are removed in the germ, so there isn't any in the grain when it is ground anyway. Once the flour is ground the vitamins, iron etc. are put back into the flour.

You have to put back the vitamins in stoneground flour just the same as steel roller ground flour. So the above quote from the book is just not true.



This again is mis-leading, for several reasons.

Most soya grown in the USA is GM, but the yanks love GM crops. Most soya grown in Europe is not GM. The reason is we won't eat the stuff.

If bread is sold it the UK with GM soya in it then it would have to be labelled GM.

No manufacturer would make bread with GM soya in it to sell in the UK, if they did we wouldn't buy it. We don't like GM stuff, in fact, we are terrified of it, we think it is toxic and it will kill us, and if it doesn't actually kill us it will cause us to grow another head or a third boob! Not only that, the fanatics that go round destroying GM crops would probably burn the bakery down.



I won't waste my money, the author obviously twists things and tells lies to make his book more interesting.

My impression of the author is that hes quite straightforward - certainly not a "twister".

Hopefully we are safe from G.M. soya beans in Europe and can safely eat our soya bean flour as usual still in the assurance that no G.M. soya beans are grown here and our soya bean flour only comes from here(I guess that information will be somewhere on the GMWatch website - as to our exact position on this here). I know the U.S. is putting every bit of pressure they can on apparently to force us into G.M. foods.

Errr....the word I would use for people destroying GM crops is not a pejorative one like "fanatic" - much more of an admiring one in fact - like "hero" or "brave".

The_Thrilla

ceridwen wrote: »

Hmmm...don't know about stuff like gluten in bread...but wondering if you might find you did better if you made bread from spelt flour instead of standard wheat flour?

You might. Spelt does contain gluten, but it is a different kind of gluten, so some people can accept spelt when they would be made ill by other varieties of wheat. In my opinion spelt tastes better anyway. Not that flavour is the be all and end all, otherwise we would all be dropping dead from eating death cap mushrooms.

hotcookie101

ceridwen wrote: »

Errr....the word I would use for people destroying GM crops is not a pejorative one like "fanatic" - much more of an admiring one in fact - like "hero" or "brave".

Sorry, I don't want to go off topic here-but that attitude makes me a little mad! I am not a fan of GM crops (not because I am worried they will make me grow 6 heads, more for the branded seeds/chemicals etc required by 3rd world farmers to grow them at vast costs) , but to say people who purposefully destroy someone elses crop like that are heroes or brave is (IMO) like saying the animal rights fanatics who burn down labs, steal bodys or let non native wildlife free to the countryside are heroes.

Or the right to lifers who murder doctors and blow up clinics are brave-its supporting criminal activity because you don't agree with something. Its not big and its not clever :mad:

Back to topic-I like homemade bread, I usually make it with spelt and wholegrain flour, salt and water (and a little butter and sugar) and I find it doesn't make me ill like shop bought bread-I think HM has less yeast/the yeast has more time to mature so it doesn't continue to ferment in your stomach (sorry if TMI :rotfl:) but even HM white bread is better than the plastic bread from the shops. However-sometimes plastic bread, toasted and DROWNING in butter is the best thing in the world

mardatha

I throw everything into my bread. Nuts, cranberries, wheat or oat bran. makes it a lot more interesting !

Zazen999

hotcookie101 wrote: »

Sorry, I don't want to go off topic here-but that attitude makes me a little mad! I am not a fan of GM crops (not because I am worried they will make me grow 6 heads, more for the branded seeds/chemicals etc required by 3rd world farmers to grow them at vast costs) , but to say people who purposefully destroy someone elses crop like that are heroes or brave is (IMO) like saying the animal rights fanatics who burn down labs, steal bodys or let non native wildlife free to the countryside are heroes.

Problem is, it may be someone else's crop; but once it is in the pollen and starts moving across everyone else's crops; it's everyone's problem.

We all know that the big companies are going hell bent for GM purely because it ties the grower into continuous supply [as they GM the crops to ensure sterile seed thus the grower HAS to go back to the supplier or no crops the next year]....and it stinks! Profit before the planet [again], this time under the guise of 'maximising yields for you Mr Grower'.

And I'd not call John a twister or a liar personally; he's a very nice man.

The_Thrilla

hotcookie101 wrote: »

Sorry, I don't want to go off topic here-but that attitude makes me a little mad! I am not a fan of GM crops (not because I am worried they will make me grow 6 heads, more for the branded seeds/chemicals etc required by 3rd world farmers to grow them at vast costs) , but to say people who purposefully destroy someone elses crop like that are heroes or brave is (IMO) like saying the animal rights fanatics who burn down labs, steal bodys or let non native wildlife free to the countryside are heroes.

Or the right to lifers who murder doctors and blow up clinics are brave-its supporting criminal activity because you don't agree with something. Its not big and its not clever :mad:

I am with Ceridwen here. I think the public have made it quite clear that they do not want GM products. Yet the government, under pressure by lobbyists and donations for political parties, keep trying to introduce them.

As to third world farmers and GM crops. Let me tell you about third world farmers. Back in the Philippines there are people living on less than two dollars a day. (It used to be one dollar a day, but Barack Obomber and Helicopter Ben have inflated the dollar.) We have GM companies selling seed to these paupers that will only last one crop. Then they have to buy more seed from these companies. That's GM crops. So when I hear about the French government trying to introduce this filth by the back door, and I hear that the French farmers came on a dark night and burnt the lot, I smile, and I say: "Good for them!"

Yours truly

The Thrilla from Manila