300,000 jobs in public sector face the axe

mitchaa

Harry_Powell wrote: »

Why have kids and then have them raised by other people? If you're now a single parent family with an absent father, surely it's more important, not less for you to be at home with your child? Another generation of latchkey kids from broken homes is created.

TBH, I find it difficult to believe that anyone would choose to be at work, for less money that they would get by staying at home, and to pay other people to take care of their children while they did so. It seems a little dubious to me.

In direct contrast, you have children in non working households being brought up with no working ethic.

I would rather install working ethic discipline into my children and keeping pride that I was able to support my children myself personally. There is then a link to poverty and crime. Those brought up in non working households are far more likely to end up in prison later on in life. Drug addictions, social respect and discipline etc etc. All because of no working ethic in the home.

lostinrates

There is a halfway house between mitcha's and harry's opions, which would be working part of feven full time hours in a job that was able to keep one solvent and sane, but was not an all consuming lifestyle career. I think this is the option most people take almost by default. Certainly it was common for mothers, more than fathers, when I was a child. Interestingly among our friends now i think ts slightly different, but I imagine that skewed by our friends! A few people are expecting babies now, one couple will be interesting to see the choices they make.

Harry_Powell

mitchaa wrote: »

In direct contrast, you have children in non working households being brought up with no working ethic.

I would rather install working ethic discipline into my children and keeping pride that I was able to support my children myself personally. There is then a link to poverty and crime. Those brought up in non working households are far more likely to end up in prison later on in life. Drug addictions, social respect and discipline etc etc. All because of no working ethic in the home.

How can you instill any sort of ethos into your children when, for the greater part of the day, they're being minded by other people? They will pick up the ethics of the people they're with for 8hrs a day, not the ones who come home tired from a long day at work (when the kids are also tired) and see them for a couple of hours before the kids bedtime, with weekends spent catching up with housework and such that was put off during the working week.

I'm actually just playing devil's advocate here, BTW.

marklv

bendix wrote: »

I love marklv. I really do.

He left the private sector for some 'safety' job in the public sector, and now he is railing against the fact that he's in the firing line.

And yet - for the last 18 months - he hasnt give a !!!! about the pain the private sector has been going through.

Your turn now, pal. If that's schadenfreude, sign me up.

Nonsense. I have worked in the private sector and I have been made redundant not once, but several times, so I know very well what it is like. The problem with you is that you seem to have a personal issue about the public sector.

mitchaa

Harry_Powell wrote: »

How can you instill any sort of ethos into your children when, for the greater part of the day, they're being minded by other people? They will pick up the ethics of the people they're with for 8hrs a day, not the ones who come home tired from a long day at work (when the kids are also tired) and see them for a couple of hours before the kids bedtime, with weekends spent catching up with housework and such that was put off during the working week.

I'm actually just playing devil's advocate here, BTW.

You tell me.

There is a link between workless households, poverty, and crime so look at it from that perspective.

Personally, from my perspective, my parents work and always have done. I am 1 of 4, all of us are in work and have been since leaving school. On the other hand I have old school 'friends' who come from non working households and who are just not interested in working. In and out of jail, drugs, crime etc etc.

I don't get your point about being minded by other people? I am talking about school aged children here so there are no 8hr days with a stranger. If the parents work an 0800-1600, then they should be home by the time their children walk home from school? My mum always was, my dad came home half an hour after me. I was at school anyway so did not miss any time with them working.

Bonia77

mitchaa wrote: »

You tell me.

There is a link between workless households, poverty, and crime so look at it from that perspective.

Personally, from my perspective, my parents work and always have done. I am 1 of 4, all of us are in work and have been since leaving school. On the other hand I have old school 'friends' who come from non working households and who are just not interested in working. In and out of jail, drugs, crime etc etc.

I don't get your point about being minded by other people? I am talking about school aged children here so there are no 8hr days with a stranger. If the parents work an 0800-1600, then they should be home by the time their children walk home from school? My mum always was, my dad came home half an hour after me. I was at school anyway so did not miss any time with them working.

A voice of common sense...

I came from similiar family - both parents at work, my brother and I at school.
It actually teaches you organizing your (and your parents) time better, as you are responsible for quite a lot of house chore like cleaning and cooking or schopping.

donaldtramp

bendix wrote: »

I love marklv. I really do.

He left the private sector for some 'safety' job in the public sector, and now he is railing against the fact that he's in the firing line.

And yet - for the last 18 months - he hasnt give a !!!! about the pain the private sector has been going through.

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Now I remember having "discussions" with Mark. I remember him laughing about the 6 months laying off schemes for the public sector and his fact defying defence of them.

And yet - for the last 18 months - he hasnt give a !!!! about the pain the private sector has been going through.

I distinctly remember that!

Your turn now, pal. If that's schadenfreude, sign me up

Oh dear I wouldn't like to be in one of the pretend jobs created under our last "great leader" in order to hide the unemployment figures........It turns out that a great deal of them weren't really necessary:D

I wonder just where the axe will swing and how deep???

donaldtramp

Nonsense. I have worked in the private sector and I have been made redundant not once, but several times, so I know very well what it is like

So where do you work now? public or private?

Pennywise

Harry_Powell wrote: »

TBH, I find it difficult to believe that anyone would choose to be at work, for less money that they would get by staying at home, and to pay other people to take care of their children while they did so. It seems a little dubious to me.

It's called being responsible, being self-reliant and looking to the future. Some day, her child(ren) will leave school and then the benefits will stop. If she has a good working history, perhaps picking up some extra qualifications on the way, she may be much further up the career ladder than if she just sat on her backside (like far too many claimants) waiting for the next giro to come through and then having to take whatever carp job she could get once the kids leave school and the benefits stop. Far too many people fail to see the bigger, long term picture. Just because you may not be much worse off today by being on benefits doesn't mean that will be the situation forever.

Harry_Powell

donaldtramp wrote: »

So where do you work now? public or private?

He works in the public sector, I assume he was tired of getting made redundant in the [STRIKE]real world [/STRIKE]private sector and ran to what he thought was greater security, only to find that it was an illusion.