BA Strike back on

ILW

Has anybody wondered if the guy from Unite is actually getting brown envelopes from Virgin?

speedbird1973

tomterm8 wrote: »

That was not the finding of the appeal court judge on the matter. The information was published on the unions website.

But the appeal judges (there were three) also acted on the "balance of convenience" The legality of the strike will potentially be brought under the spotlight with a seperate case. This case was purely about the injunction. If BA wishes to go to court and the strike is deemed illegal then the union will be liable for the losses and the strikers won't be protected under the law, even if they acted in good faith.

lucylucky

speedbird1973 wrote: »

Although I'm opposed to the strike, I don't have an issue with this ruling.

After June 12th there'll be no more legal protection for the strikers - so they'll all be sacked if they dispute after that. The problem is soon to be solved

What happens after June 12th? (sorry not been keeping up)

Chris2685

Right to strike aside - we have 2.5 million unemployed.

I think it is a joke that these workers are doing this. If we were being totally logical here, BA would just tell them to get lost and just hire some of those 2.5 million people who would probably jump at the chance...

lucylucky

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i fly on business regularly, using BA and Virgin. If BA back down on this travel perks issue, I will never fly BA again.

The cabin crew are scum and should be lucky they have a job. BA were perfectly right to take away the travel perks. In fact, they have backtracked already and reinstated it - just not at the same levels. That sickens me.

The first thing all the cabin crew that went on strike should get is all their non-contractual perks taken away - for good. the second thing they should get is the sack.

hateful money grabbing scumbags.

if they want to share in the massive profits BA makes (what was it, 336m loss?) then buy shares and get your dividend.

I HATE UNIONS. they shoudl ALL be smashed.

Unions have over many years done a great deal of good work. Sadly this is often not recognised when you get a dispute like this which only appears to inconvenience the public and jeopardise the business.
UNITE are a big Union but are acting like a big dinosaur and W Walsh is acting like the great dictator. Made for each other really.

lucylucky

Chris2685 wrote: »

Right to strike aside - we have 2.5 million unemployed.

I think it is a joke that these workers are doing this. If we were being totally logical here, BA would just tell them to get lost and just hire some of those 2.5 million people who would probably jump at the chance...

And lots of those 2.5 million people don't already work in the airline industry for good reason.

speedbird1973

lucylucky wrote: »

What happens after June 12th? (sorry not been keeping up)

Strikers are only protected in law for 12 weeks after the initial ballot. After 12 weeks (June 12th) BA can sack anyone who strikes outside of the protected period. Those dismissed can of course fight and unfair dismissal claim, but it's not likely they'd win and BASSA won't be able to afford to support them.

Unite have to take ultimate responsibility for the debacle. However they reached an agreement with BA ages to stop all this. The problem is BASSA (the cabin crew arm of Unite. They were amalgamated into one union some time ago), who've rejected WWs terms out of hand.

JasonLVC

lucylucky wrote: »

What happens after June 12th? (sorry not been keeping up)

Its all to do with the law surrounding strikes and strike ballots.

I'll probably be corrected, which is fair enough, but rougly speaking :-

By law, unions must give 7 days' notice of strike action to an employer stating that it intends to hold a ballot, the date on which the union reasonably believes the ballot will take place and any other information the union has which will help the employer make plans.

The union must give the employer a sample voting paper at least 3 days before the ballot. If the company has several sites, a separate ballot may need to be held at each workplace where strike action is proposed. This is the bit Unite failed to do on the first ballot and maybe on the second (not enough fact to be sure).

If workers vote in favour of strike action, it must commence within 4 weeks of the original ballot taking place. This period may be extended to a further 8 weeks (so thats 12 weeks/3 months or 90 days) but only if both parties agree - so all these court cases are just dragging things out - once we get to the 90 days mark, any strike action after that date is illegal and workers can be sacked.

Unite are now looking to do a third ballot now on the right to have their perks reinstated, this is to cover their backs should the 90 days threshold be reached, so in effect, the first strike may be out of time, but then you've got a second one to come on line straight afterwards.

lucylucky

Thanks both for the above. I thought there might have been something new on the horizon that I had missed.

kennyboy66_2

JasonLVC wrote: »

I suspect Unite have now backed themselves into a corner from which they cannot escape from and all this legal challenging marlarky has just been designed to waste Unite's time whilst the 90 days consultation period clocks on by........

Would this make any sense. Surely the uncertainy is putting people booking with BA as it is.

There is likely to be another ballot, and for all the took of militant BASSA / UNITE / Scousers, it does seem like the union continue to get a huge vot in favour of industrial action.