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Sexual discrimination at work place for a man.

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  • blue_monkey_2
    blue_monkey_2 Posts: 11,435 Forumite
    edited 19 May 2010 at 8:42PM
    It is not sexual discrimination if the girls are asking someone to do stuff for them and he is doing it. They are just taking advantage of him doing it for them. He needs to grow a pair and tell them to sod off. However, do not tell the boss to sod off as she will sack him. She is the boss so if she asks him to do something that is in the remit of his contract, as this is, he should do it.

    I am a female and have worked at loads of places where there is mainly male employees, I am more than capable of lifting a heavy load but if someone was going to do it for me then I'll ask them to do it, if they said no then I would get on with it myself, if they said yes I'll keep on asking them to do it. It is what us women do!! I used to live with my friend and we used to go start doing the garden when our neighbour was outside knowing he would take pity on us 'struggling' and offer to do it for us.

    If someone complains about him saying no then tell the boss his back was hurting or was busy.

    How can someone be employed to help in other areas then complain when he has to do that work in other areas. Maybe there is not enough work for him in other areas - what is a general technician anyway? My mind says fixing stuff but why gardening too? Sounds like a term for handyman to me. Would he prefer less hours instead of helping others? Not ideal as he has a new baby.
  • CupOfChai
    CupOfChai Posts: 1,411 Forumite
    The difference is between guideline maxima of 16kg for women and 25kg for men. That is what is described in HSE document (page 10 of http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg143.pdf). However the diagram has the man as clearly taller than the woman - as though no woman was ever the same height or taller than any man.

    Thanks for that, it's kind of what I was getting at in regards the 'men are able/allowed to lift more than women'. However I do recognise the truth that you can't generalise to a blanket application of this in reality and everyone is capable of lifting a different amount. For instance, I can lift more than another woman who is smaller/has a lower bodyweight than me, also a man of the same size as or even larger than me for whatever reason may not be capable of lifting as much as I can.

    Also agree with above poster who said they are only asking him to help and if he doesn't want to do it and they are not his boss, he can always refuse and/or make some excuse. However I personally would only refuse if I felt they were really taking the mick with it, as I would not want my boss to be under the impression I was unfairly refusing to help colleagues when they had reasonably asked me to do so.

    I think the key points are: Is he the ONLY person who can do these tasks? What do the women do if he can't/doesn't do it, do they clearly struggle or not manage to do it themselves? Does he struggle to do this work? Is it the type of work that he would be expected to do in his job? As someone else has said, for a general maintenance/handyman type of job it might well be expected that he does the jobs like moving desks etc.
  • teabelly
    teabelly Posts: 1,229 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture
    Or perhaps he should ask one of the ladies to make him a brew and bring him a biscuit each time he has to do the manual work as he's so tired doing all that heavy lifting.... worse case is he gets his tea made and regular biscuits :-)
  • TM1976
    TM1976 Posts: 717 Forumite
    To me from the job description it does sound like this is the kind of stuff he could be asked to do. As the other staff and his manager appear to think he should do this it's probably what they expect too. Bearing this in mind it's probably not a smart move to be arguing about doing this stuff as what he is basically saying to them is "I don't want to do my job".

    If he is rushed off his feet doing other stuff it's a slightly different issue but I would suggest when he got asked to do these things he should say "I'm busy with this, I'll come and do it later" etc. by which time they probably will do it themselves.
  • bendix
    bendix Posts: 5,499 Forumite
    For goodness sake. He's one of the few men around there? Why wouldnt he be happy to do the hardwork?

    What sort of society have we become? Does he want the women to do it instead?
  • intranix
    intranix Posts: 247 Forumite
    are you sure he is a man? hes objecting to doing his job because the women dont do it?
  • lucylucky
    lucylucky Posts: 4,908 Forumite
    bendix wrote: »
    For goodness sake. He's one of the few men around there? Why wouldnt he be happy to do the hardwork?

    What sort of society have we become? Does he want the women to do it instead?

    If they are capable why not?
  • blue_monkey_2
    blue_monkey_2 Posts: 11,435 Forumite
    lucylucky wrote: »
    If they are capable why not?

    Because they are asking and he is saying yes. He needs to grow a pair of balls and say no, not do it and then complain about it afterwards to everyone.

    I am a woman and if my male boss asked me to move a heavy box then I'd say yes and try to do it as well. That is because he is the boss. My last boss used to get me to do a lot of his work but as he paid my wages I was not about to start arguing over it.

    Anyone - yes anyone - would get someone else to do the heavy work in their jobs if they could. As I stated before, I am more than capable but if someone offered to move something for me so I did not have to do it then yes, of course I am going to let them. I am not a fool.
  • diesel_dog
    diesel_dog Posts: 269 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker
    I like some of the replies :rotfl:and the others have been informative :D

    It turns out that his contract doesn't state that after all.
    You'll be pleased to know he has grown some and since then been given a written warning for refusing to perform a duty in the work place.

    He has asked the obvious and why the person employed to perform that role doesn't do it and no answer was given either verbally or in writing.

    One for ACAS?
  • Googlewhacker
    Googlewhacker Posts: 3,887 Forumite
    I hope he appealed it
    The Googlewhacker referance is to Dave Gorman and not to my opinion of the search engine!

    If I give you advice it is only a view and always always take professional advice before acting!!!

    4 people on the ignore list....Bliss!
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