Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Cardew

Just answer this.

Do energyhelpline add the £18 membership fee twice for a dual fuel quote?

Simple yes or no will suffice.

MillicentBystander

Here we go again, you get questions you can't answer and you respond with a question.

Unlike you I will answer the question (cos I'm not a scardedy cat).

energyhelpline are quoting the cheapest UW tariff for 6510 Gas and 1011 Electric as £505 (did that link work, you didn't say lol) and UW are quoting it as £487 including the club fee. What is the difference between the 2 figures and does it remind you of anything?

Now will you answer my (plethora) of questions? Go on, break the habit of a lifetime.

Are you claiming energyhelpline are quoting the correct figure a punter with that consumption would pay to UW on their cheapest dual fuel deal?

Cardew

MillicentBystander wrote: »

energyhelpline are quoting the cheapest UW tariff for 6510 Gas and 1011 Electric as £505 (did that link work, you didn't say lol) QUOTE]

No you are wrong, they are not quoting it as £505 in that link, it is shown as £502.

Utility WarehouseLow UserMonthly Direct Debit

• Savings club with annual membership fee
• Typically sold via network marketing

Tariff Details £502 3 Stars rating £4(1%)EnquireCall us now on
0800 019

I showed above how they reached £502 by using low user gas instead of standard user gas.

NOT by using two £18 membership fees.

MillicentBystander

Last chance before I give up here (although I'm sure this is what you want me to do as it's clear you have waaayyy more time on your hands than I and you have as usual backed yourself into the usual corner with your ego). DOES THIS LINK WORK? What does it say at the TOP?

http://www.energyhelpline.com/ege16_energyhelpline/fri/Domesticenergy/Domestic/Results?id=ab2d89d2-1f0a-4ac9-89df-a13f00cd6097

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Cardew

You really are amazing. - lost none of your old touch I see.

Anyone seeking to find the cheapest dual fuel tariff for 6510/1011kWh will see energyhelpline state that UW would charge £502. That is because they use UW low gas instead of standard gas.

To achieve that they do not add in 2 x £18 membership fee.

MillicentBystander

Cardew wrote: »

You really are amazing. - lost none of your old touch I see.

Anyone seeking to find the cheapest dual fuel tariff for 6510/1011kWh will see energyhelpline state that UW would charge £502. That is because they use UW low gas instead of standard gas.

To achieve that they do not add in 2 x £18 membership fee.

:eek: Shakes head. I really don't know why I bother. This is getting like Paxman v Howard. I'll ask you AGAIN.

I want the cheapest UW price for Gas 6510 and Electric 1011 in the Midlands region including club fee and relevant discounts. How much, please? Is it:

A. £505?

B. £504?

C. £502?

D. £487?

E. £466?

You can of course pick just the one answer. Not that you will answer.....

I'll let the readers decide who's struggling/bluffing here.

Cardew

MillicentBystander wrote: »

:eek: Shakes head. I really don't know why I bother. This is getting like Paxman v Howard. I'll ask you AGAIN.

I want the cheapest UW price for Gas 6510 and Electric 1011 in the Midlands region including club fee and relevant discounts. How much, please? Is it:

A. £505?

B. £504?

C. £502?

D. £487?

E. £466?

You can of course pick just the one answer. Not that you will answer.....

I'll let the readers decide who's struggling/bluffing here.

Regular readers will recognise that when you are wrong you employ diversionary tactics.

This was the question you posed:

Any idea why energyhelpline add the £18/yr club fee in twice? Certainly on low user comparisons this makes a massive difference to the results...

The answer is they don't add in the club fee twice.

That has been painstaking explained to you several times.

However, realising you are wrong, in your inimitable style you divert the thread to the cost of a specific consumption of gas and electricity with UW.

Any low user posting their consumption to find the cheapest tariff will find that energyhelpline do not show that UW charge the club fee twice.

It has also carefully explained that energyhelpline and other comparison websites do not 'mix and match' tariffs and the 3 UW tariffs(low/standard/high) are separate tariffs.

However you decide to 'mix and match' UW tariffs(low electricity and standard gas) and find that energyhelpline treat gas and electricity separately.

In the same way as if you 'mix and match, tariffs and enter, say a BG on-line gas tariff and BG standard electricity tariff, you do not get the the dual fuel discount shown, despite getting both gas and electricity from BG. Both tariffs are treated separately.

So the answer to the question is that if you enter any level of dual-fuel consumption into a comparison network, energyhelpline do not show UW as adding two £18 club fees to the price shown.

If you decide to 'mix and match' and enter two different tariffs from the same company, you will get incorrect results for your present tariff. However the charge shown for the various dual fuel tariffs will be correct and with only one £18 charge for UW tariffs.

The second diversionary tactic, long perfected by MillicentBystander(in all of the names he uses on MSE) is to concentrate on very low consumption users.

For someone on an average consumption(16,500kWh gas/3,300kWh electricity) any comparison network will show that UW* are £174 - 15.6% - more expensive than the cheapest tariff.

*The UW price only includes one £18 cub membership fee.;)

HappyMJ

Why doesn't UW just make it one simple tariff rather than 3? Three tariffs are awkward to compare. There are so many combinations of usage. Low electric, high gas or high electric, low gas or any other combination.. There are currently 9 combinations and only 3 of those combinations appear on comparison websites.

dude89

This discussion is just dragging on and on....

When entering your gas tariff as standard the prices are

Standing charge - £18.27 per year
Kwh charge - 4.528p

Total charge - £313.04

When entering electric tariff as low the prices are

Kwh charge - 15.443p

Total charge - £156.13

Total energy charge - £469.17

Plus single membership charge of £18 - £487.17

So to get the figure of £505 you are correct in that energy helpline are showing two membership charges.

Though in my opinion this is just an abnormality created by UW pricing structures which are quite obviously the most complicated in the market.

Though in this instant it does mean the UW are the cheapest for your usage when discounts are taken into account

Cardew

That is by knowing you have to 'mix and match' those two particular tariffs - UW low electricity/standard gas.

If you 'mix and match' tariffs and enter Ebico for gas and NPower GoSave for electricity you get £478 against the £487.17 for UW.

However those are for 'present tariffs'.

There are millions of combinations if you mix and match tariffs, the comparison websites cannot cope and the algorithm is not written to cope with 'mix and matching'.

Edit.
How would you find out if, say, a Eon tariff and a NPower tariff wouldn't be the cheapest combination?