Unreasonable pressure from my tutor at college. Help please!

briona

ceridwen wrote: »

NOT xenophobia at all - I am no racist:eek:

Just pure statement of fact. I would say that there is in most peoples heads some sort of "rule of thumb" as to how well we expect others to speak English. If I were to try and quantify it out - then howzabout:
1 year here - speaks enough English to be understood
2 years here - can hold a good everyday conversation
5 years here - an extremely good grasp indeed of English
10 years here - definitely should equal absolutely perfect English

I would expect the same standard from myself if I had moved to another country.

The fact that O.P. has spent 10 years here and their English is still far from perfect is not going to come over well to MOST of us.

I think I have allowed for very generous timings as to what standard of English I would think most of us expect. I believe the Dutch expect anyone wishing to settle in their country to take an exam at 3(?) years residency to prove that they can speak Dutch well. That seems like an eminently sensible policy here - a Government's policy mark you .....

While I agreed with some of the initial observations on this thread about the OP's standard of English, your last couple posts are at best ignorant and at worst, bordering on racist.

You set out a timetable of a person's 'expected' (by whom I don't know) language acquisition seemingly without understanding the first thing about learning a language. The younger a person is when they come to a country, the more chance they have of becoming fluent in a language. The older you are, the more difficult it becomes, and consequently after 3-4 years of learning a language, learners reach a plateau, a point at which they can no longer see their progress. Their achievements become less marked, and they seem to stay at the same level, possibly for years. Matters are not helped by associating with other people of the same nationality. Just as Brits abroad gravitate towards other Brits and speak only English, immigrants in the UK tend to gravitate towards people of the same nationality. It is unreasonable to demand fluency within 10 years, or indeed within any set timeframe.

If you can get off your soapbox long enough you might remember that Britons are hardly noted for embracing other cultures and learning other languages – Spain is full of expat Brits who have lived there for 2, 5, 10, 20+ years and not bothered to acquire more than a few cursory greetings in Spanish. You were right in one thing though, and that is that Brits 'expect' others to learn their language, even though they rarely return the 'favour'.

Briona

ceridwen

Where's a "throwing hands up in the air" smilie when one needs one?

For goodness sake.....:cool:

ANYONE who moves to ANY country integrates and they knew at the outset that they would need to do so if they wished to stay there....it's commonsense and common courtesy.

But - DO feel free to regard me (totally mistakenly) as a racist if you wish. As long as I (and everyone who knows me ITRW) are quite clear that I'm definitely not - and dont approve of people who are - then thats all that matters.

dmg24

Zazen999 wrote: »

OH my gosh!

That's not honesty, it's xenophobia.

Nasty, nasty stuff.

OP - please be assured; not all English people are like this.

I've seen MUCH worse language skills from people born and brought up in this country.

Dearie me. The responses on this thread are shocking.

Agreed, the OP has much better English than those who choose to write in 'text speak', and as GEEGEE8 notes, their English is much better than our grasp of Chinese!

Zazen999

ceridwen wrote: »

1 year here - speaks enough English to be understood
2 years here - can hold a good everyday conversation
5 years here - an extremely good grasp indeed of English
10 years here - definitely should equal absolutely perfect English

Nobody, [mostly the British], speaks Absolutely Perfect English. So, perhaps all the Brits who don't need to get onto a boat and sail off into the sunset?

dmg24

ceridwen wrote: »

Where's a "throwing hands up in the air" smilie when one needs one?

For goodness sake.....:cool:

I think a more suitable icon would be 'hanging head in shame'.

briona

ceridwen wrote: »

ANYONE who moves to ANY country integrates and they knew at the outset that they would need to do so if they wished to stay there....

That very much depends on your definition of 'integrate'.

To my mind, Britons who move to Spain for example, live in expat areas, associate for the most part with other expats with whom they can speak English, send their kids to British or International schools, run their businesses in English (or worse still in England) cannot be classed as 'integrating' into Spanish culture... which is probably why they see little need to learn the language.

Anyway, I'm bowing out of this thread, as we've taken it completely off-topic which is neither fair nor helpful to the OP.

Briona

Zazen999

Last word on the topic - if we look back at the words that make up the [current and ever changing] English Language.....most of them aren't even 'English'.

You gotta laugh or you'd cry.

anamenottaken

sw-nw wrote: »

I am doing placement as the part of course for early learning at college, finish this summer.

My tutor had bad feedback from my supervisor at placement. I don't think they are true but my tutor never listened to me. Firstly she told me I couldn't find a job. But I said it's fine and I would do my best. Then she said I she wouldn't give me certificate and asked me to meet her again.
. . .

Help please, what can I do now?

What to do? Meet her again and agree the way forward.

Others have commented on the standard of English usage demonstrated in the post. What assessment of your English language skills was carried out before you began your current course?

sw-nw

Thanks for your advise. I will do it. I have already asked one of my friends, a local, to check all my reports before I submitted them. But my tutor still asked me to redo some. I have been pacticularly asked to write an essay in front of her to prove I did it myself.

It's for Emmzi.

terryw

sw-nw wrote: »

Thanks for your advise. I will do it. I have already asked one of my friends, a local, to check all my reports before I submitted them. But my tutor still asked me to redo some. I have been pacticularly asked to write an essay in front of her to prove I did it myself.

It's for Emmzi.

I really hope that you do well. Take on board the sensible advice that has been
offered.

I am leaving this thread as I do not wish to become associated even remotely with some of the other posters.