Camertoff's powers of judgement

LizEstelle

You thought it was perhaps questionable when he opted to retain Osborne instead of Ken Clarke as Shadow Chancellor, thus ruling out a couple of million extra votes?

You thought it craven and unstatesmanlike when he kept the gross weasel and proven liar Ashcroft on board his election team?

Well, you're now going to have to swallow:

1. A confuzzled and desperately motley gluing together of people who cannot stand the sight of each other, rather than the far more dignified and appropriate formation of a minority government.

2. The pompous and incompetent Osborne in charge at the treasury with Cable sidelined as a deputy sub-assistant in charge of nothing very much.

3. A 'Deputy Prime Minister' whose every word will be scrutinised for hanging material by the Tory grass roots.

4. The opportunity for Labour to regroup as being now the only centre-left voting opportunity on offer and looking to pounce on the inevitable future dissent as evidence of Con-Lib incompetence.

All in all, this is political misjudgement of the finest water.

I would say he's contrived to put together the ideal circumstances for another long term Labour government - and that probably before not too long....

speedbird1973

I think you have no idea what you're talking about it. Don't like it f*** off to France!

ILW

LizEstelle wrote: »

You thought it was perhaps questionable when he opted to retain Osborne instead of Ken Clarke as Shadow Chancellor, thus ruling out a couple of million extra votes?

You thought it craven and unstatesmanlike when he kept the gross weasel and proven liar Ashcroft on board his election team?

Well, you're now going to have to swallow:

1. A confuzzled and desperately motley gluing together of people who cannot stand the sight of each other, rather than the far more dignified and appropriate formation of a minority government.

2. The pompous and incompetent Osborne in charge at the treasury with Cable sidelined as a deputy sub-assistant in charge of nothing very much.

3. A 'Deputy Prime Minister' whose every word will be scrutinised for hanging material by the Tory grass roots.

4. The opportunity for Labour to regroup as being now the only centre-left voting opportunity on offer and looking to pounce on the inevitable future dissent as evidence of Con-Lib incompetence.

All in all, this is political misjudgement of the finest water.

I would say he's contrived to put together the ideal circumstances for another long term Labour government - and that probably before not too long....

I cannot recall Osborne ever saying anything pompous and will reserve judgement on competance.

Really2

LizEstelle wrote: »

Well, you're now going to have to swallow:....

5) Endless posts by hard core Labour supporters running around like headless chickens blaming every party on earth for cuts and their own failure to even agree with themselves.
Also failing to realise they run a budget deficit for the last 8 years and that is the actually fact why cuts have to be made and so deep.

PhylPho

LizEstelle wrote: »

You thought it was perhaps questionable when he opted to retain Osborne instead of Ken Clarke as Shadow Chancellor, thus ruling out a couple of million extra votes?

You thought it craven and unstatesmanlike when he kept the gross weasel and proven liar Ashcroft on board his election team?

Well, you're now going to have to swallow:

1. A confuzzled and desperately motley gluing together of people who cannot stand the sight of each other, rather than the far more dignified and appropriate formation of a minority government.

2. The pompous and incompetent Osborne in charge at the treasury with Cable sidelined as a deputy sub-assistant in charge of nothing very much.

3. A 'Deputy Prime Minister' whose every word will be scrutinised for hanging material by the Tory grass roots.

4. The opportunity for Labour to regroup as being now the only centre-left voting opportunity on offer and looking to pounce on the inevitable future dissent as evidence of Con-Lib incompetence.

All in all, this is political misjudgement of the finest water.

I would say he's contrived to put together the ideal circumstances for another long term Labour government - and that probably before not too long....

At a time when Old Labour is broken (Brown) and New Labour discredited (Blair), when the two cabals that ran it are now in oh-so final conflict -- the Blairites seeking revenge for the Brown years by stacking up behind Milliband, the Brownites desperately wondering if anyone will vote for Ed Balls -- your insight into the return to power of a Labour Parliamentary Party still split into two dysfunctional tribes is definitely something I'll have a look at again in 2023. . .

After the 13 years of Opposition which, it seems, is about the length of time it takes for a UK political party to figure out where, when, why and how it got it all so wrong.

Meantime, I expect Harriet Harman to continue to stand head and shoulders below anyone else as Labour's hapless -- yet in your view, definitely vote-winning -- temporary Leader.

Yeah. Right.

cajef

LizEstelle wrote: »

You thought it craven and unstatesmanlike when he kept the gross weasel and proven liar Ashcroft on board his election team?

My my looking at your posting history you really do have a complex about the Conservatives.

Convenient of you to forget having an unpopular unelected PM Clown Brown and also unelected creep Mandelson in his cabinet plus selling off our gold reserves for peanuts, landing us with the biggest ever national debt that our children will be paying off for years, robbing the pensioners, telling lies about our armed forces and calling people bigots behind their backs.

Your beloved Labour lost the election and on their recent history it was hardly surprising so get over it.

Pete111

Bless.

Can anyone get Liz a hankie? She's terribly upset you know.

LizEstelle

Pete111 wrote: »

Bless.

Can anyone get Liz a hankie? She's terribly upset you know.

More like terribly amused at the complete and utter failure to answer the point... or should I say blatantly studious avoidance..?

And we all know why. Camertoff has made a pig's ear of the choices available to him. Keep it up, Dopey Dave. The way you're going, Labour will get back in with another landslide.

michaels

Of course there is a point but not the one Ms Spin chooses to bring up. Once Lab had played the we'll gt rid of Brown card enough within the party were not convinced that inheriting the legacy of 13 years of Labour was actually in their best interest for anything other than a half hearted attempt to be made to make a deal.

Better a period (possibly short) in opposition whilst your opponents make the deepest public spending cuts ever (by labour's own pre-election admission) than the grind of governing through such a period with a wafer thin majority...

LizEstelle wrote: »

You thought it was perhaps questionable when he opted to retain Osborne instead of Ken Clarke as Shadow Chancellor, thus ruling out a couple of million extra votes?

You thought it craven and unstatesmanlike when he kept the gross weasel and proven liar Ashcroft on board his election team?

Well, you're now going to have to swallow:

1. A confuzzled and desperately motley gluing together of people who cannot stand the sight of each other, rather than the far more dignified and appropriate formation of a minority government.

2. The pompous and incompetent Osborne in charge at the treasury with Cable sidelined as a deputy sub-assistant in charge of nothing very much.

3. A 'Deputy Prime Minister' whose every word will be scrutinised for hanging material by the Tory grass roots.

4. The opportunity for Labour to regroup as being now the only centre-left voting opportunity on offer and looking to pounce on the inevitable future dissent as evidence of Con-Lib incompetence.

All in all, this is political misjudgement of the finest water.

I would say he's contrived to put together the ideal circumstances for another long term Labour government - and that probably before not too long....

cajef

LizEstelle wrote: »

And we all know why. Camertoff has made a pig's ear of the choices available to him. Keep it up, Dopey Dave. The way you're going, Labour will get back in with another landslide.

You really are in cloud cuckoo land.:T

Pete111

LizEstelle wrote: »

More like terribly amused at the complete and utter failure to answer the point... or should I say blatantly studious avoidance..?

And we all know why. Camertoff has made a pig's ear of the choices available to him. Keep it up, Dopey Dave. The way you're going, Labour will get back in with another landslide.

Oh....you had a point?

Sorry I mistook your post for a sulky wish list that smacked rather badly of sour grapes.

'Dopey' Dave is in number 10 Liz. Where you at?