Camertoff's powers of judgement

hallmark

The funniest bit is "years of Murdochite press poison" lolol

Um, that'll be the 12 years they supported nulabor then?

kabayiri

It says a lot about Labour that they couldn't even manage their own party finances. Let's face it, they are brassic. Maybe Mandy can tap up some of those toffy mates he met on that yacht?

(oh I forgot!....it's only the Tories who know toffs, oops)

Graham_Devon

LizEstelle wrote: »

More like terribly amused at the complete and utter failure to answer the point... or should I say blatantly studious avoidance..?

And we all know why. Camertoff has made a pig's ear of the choices available to him. Keep it up, Dopey Dave. The way you're going, Labour will get back in with another landslide.

Just a question.

Do you feel as if you have to come up with silly little names for everyone to further your point?

Are you worried that if you don't come up with these silly little names constantly (and its not just you, it's all of the labour supporters, and most prominent in Discussion Time) that your point won't quite stand?

PhylPho

baby_boomer wrote: »

I find the phrase "Camertoff" amusing.

Each of the three main parties is led by an alumnus of one of the three most elitist schools in the country.

Conservatives - Eton
LibDem - Westminster
Labour - St. Paul's Girls'

I blame the demise of the Grammar Schools for this dreadful state of affairs.

But until Labour elect a new leader (how novel will that seem) & the last one they actually elected 16 years ago :eek: was also from one of Scotland's most elite public schools - , it's a case of people in glass houses..........

Wot a fabulous post! Sincere thanks -- the pre-pubertal screaming amongst Labour supporters about "toffs" is wearying.

Especially as they conveniently -- well, deliberately -- forget that one of the biggest "toffs" in terms of Park Lane homes, villas in Tuscany, champagne, Rolls Royces and loadsa very dubious money stashed away in offshore tax havens was a certain Geoffrey Robinson: purveyor of holiday homes to Tony Blair, private office funding to Gordon Brown, secret loans to Peter Mandelson. . . and Paymaster General in, um, the L-a-b-o-u-r Government.

But hey! It's easy to forget that when you're the kind of party political MSE poster constantly re-writing history in hope nobody else notices.

Graham_Devon

PhylPho wrote: »

Wot a fabulous post! Sincere thanks -- the pre-pubertal screaming amongst Labour supporters about "toffs" is wearying.

The weird thing seems to be that this class war was only ever talked about, by labour.

None of the other parties used it.

The hardcore labour supporters use it constantly to attack, yet THEY are the only ones attacking anything to do with class.

So who's being class'ist here (is that a word!?).

Find it strangely amusing that the only ones banging on and on about class, are the ones attacking anyone who they feel does not fall into their class.

ash28

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Just a question.

Do you feel as if you have to come up with silly little names for everyone to further your point?

Are you worried that if you don't come up with these silly little names constantly (and its not just you, it's all of the labour supporters, and most prominent in Discussion Time) that your point won't quite stand?

Just a question

Haven't there have been funny little names for politicians of other parties?

Clown, Harperson, Millipede etc

Pot and kettle spring to mind

PhylPho

Graham: spot on. But (as you said a little earlier about the silly name calling) it's so obviously self-defeating as to question why anyone with a functioning brain cell would want to keep on with it?

MSE is currently littered with posts notably from Labour supporters where points could just as easily have been made without desperate resort to all this daft schoolyard stuff. I don't expect everyone to agree on, well, anything -- be no point: this forum would be boring -- but surely the posts which register most are those that don't sound like Peter Mandelson on a bad day????

Graham_Devon

ash28 wrote: »

Just a question

Haven't there have been funny little names for politicians of other parties?

Clown, Harperson, Millipede etc

Pot and kettle spring to mind

Course there have, but no where near this extent. Used in every single post, several times over, over several threads.

The name calling seems to be the very substance of the posts in many many cases at the moment.

kabayiri

If Liz had posted something constructive, explaining why we had missed out on a great opportunity by not voting Labour back in, I would have listened intently.

But no, her words echoed the same old diatribe. Didn't this election prove we are all tired of soundbite politics?

Exocet

kabayiri wrote: »

Didn't this election prove we are all tired of soundbite politics?

Maybe, or maybe we are a sucker for them.

Re "toff". I do find it annoying, it's the opposite cousin of "scum" - they are companion words for people who can't somehow see anything in people at the other end of the spectrum from them. I am not keen on the one-eyed business either - particularly nasty I think. Banter, and good putdowns are great, part of the knockabout stuff that makes life fun - but endlessly repeated anything begins to drag.

I used gaylord and Mandy once or twice only, the rest of the time I call him Mandelson. With an occasional Lord to make a point but it is his title after all.