Cut Scotland loose – then we’ll have a fair voting system - The Times

beecher2

Why isn't the debate about the English going it alone, rather than about kicking Scotland out? If the English want devolution, or independence, isn't it up to them to campaign positively about it, rather than continually harping on about Scotland?

chezzers

If there is a majority in the south of the United Kingdom, that wish us Scots to be cast adrift, then why do they continually vote for a party who has no desire to break up the union.

Have a look at the facts before jumping on the bandwagon, there is as much oil left in the North Sea as has already been extracted (which, by international law, has already been acknowledged as belonging to an independant Scotland), we have a growing wind and tidal power industry (i believe it accounts for 25% of european totals, and will only grow). We may lose out on the small amount of increased spending from central government than England generally recieves (the price that was paid for losing our independance at the time), but it may be a fair price to pay to relieve ourselves of the growing xenophobia from our cousins in the south.

I accept that not all our friends in the south wish this to happen, but I find the irony that those who voted for a unionist party and now wish seperatism from the rest of the UK laughable.

Yours in friendship,

rosa_luxembourg

I would be happy to let England go it alone and leave the UK - we could let them have the Nukes, the seat on the G8, Security Council, etc etc.

Scotland, Wales and NI could remain as the United Kingdom. Future applications for Cornwall and Northumberland to rejoin the UK would be considered on their merits.

new_home_owner_3

Alan_Cross wrote: »

And it is this level of intelligence which has generally been led by the nose to vote for the toffs.

Im the first to admit my spelling and grammar is rubbish however i have learnt over the years when i am being took for a twxt.

If the scottish want indipendance then give it them, im sure if the boot was on the other foot and everybody in england was getting free prescription and tuition fees paid and the people of scotland was not im sure they would be moaning.

You aint got to be a rocket scientist to realise you have been took for a ride for the last 13 years, but if you think you do your thicker than me.

baby_boomer

The concept of a Conservative AND UNIONIST Party was born in the19th Century when Britain was an imperial power and Ireland supplied 1/3 of imperial troops.

Even in the late 20th Century the Conservatives won significant seats in Scotland but they now need to accept that Scotland and England are two separate political entities.

Unfortunately nationalist politics (including Ulster Unionists) is just the politics of the begging bowl. There's little national pride involved. They just want our money - and the EU's as well .

And we have come to see recently that Britain is no longer a world power and only gets into trouble when it tries to be.

So let's ditch the Celtic Fringe & both sets of bigots in Northern Ireland so that we can resume sensible politics in England with a restricted foreign policy that most people would support.

After all, if we are to reform the voting system as the LibDems wish, we can't risk the lunatics taking charge of the asylum.

IveSeenTheLight

new_home_owner wrote: »

yeah likewise the english people have been ruled by a labour government which mainly have seats in scotland and wales and we have had that for the last 13 years, you have had it for a few hours and your moaning.

heres the map of the last election in 2005, how can us has english people let the people of scotland and wales who keep on bleating about indipendance dictate who rules are country. No wonder they all voted labour free prescription and higher funds for university places.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/2005UKElectionMap.svg

I'm not moaning, I wanted independance long before the change of government.

I'm pointing out a flaw in the system, which you appear to agree with.

Let's not forget that Scotland has historically been the guinea pigs for testing new legislation such as the poll tax.

At the very least, have a referrendum on it to see what the public wish.

markharding557

new_home_ownersaid:

Its tells me the scottish and welsh voted labour because they get free prescriptions

I believe free presciptions in scotland were brought in by the SNP

Shakethedisease

I believe free presciptions in scotland were brought in by the SNP

..with the full backing and support of the Lib Dems. ( it's a minority goverment). Oh, and also for free tuition fee's.

Central Scotland Liberal Democrats

12.15.00pm GMT Sat 7th Mar 2009

The Liberal Democrat Spring Conference today backed plans to reaffirm the party's opposition to university tuition fees, and voted to extend the policy of free tuition to part time students...

Commenting, Liberal Democrat Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary, Stephen Williams said:
"Bright young people are potentially being put off going to university by the thought of being saddled with £10k in tuition fee debt.
"The Liberal Democrats believe that everyone deserves the chance to develop the skills and knowledge that will give them the best opportunities in life.
"That's why we are committed to scrapping tuition fees for full and part-time students, and improving access to apprenticeships so that everyone can get the best from their education."

Mabye they'll do it in England too now ?

headcone

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I'm not moaning, I wanted independance long before the change of government.

I'm pointing out a flaw in the system, which you appear to agree with.

Let's not forget that Scotland has historically been the guinea pigs for testing new legislation such as the poll tax.

At the very least, have a referrendum on it to see what the public wish.

Would that referendum include the English public?

IveSeenTheLight

headcone wrote: »

Would that referendum include the English public?

Could there not be a referendum in England as well for their independance if that is what the general public would desire?

You have to ask yourself, if the perception is that England would be better off without the other countries in the UK, why is there resistance to proceed down that road?