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lib are talking to labour please tell me it's not so
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My bets are that the Lib Dems will do a deal with Cameron in the end. I think the main issues are differences over Europe and the Tory unwillingness to put STV as well as AV to a referendum.
I agree, deal with Cameron and new election in the autumn when they fall out :eek:
No pot of gold for the other option
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Sir_Humphrey wrote: »But the current system splits the left-of-centre vote. Face it, there are more centre-left people than centre-right people in the UK.
In which case a referendum would be likely to support some form of voting reform.
So why not have one? Everyone's happy then.0 -
Doctor_Gloom wrote: »Oh woe! And thrice woe! Bullingdon Boy Dave Cameron has just had to phone around and cancel the party he had arranged at No.10 on Friday night with the rest of the Bullingdon club.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
You are silly! But you're funny:D"there are some persons in this World who, unable to give better proof of being wise, take a strange delight in showing what they think they have sagaciously read in mankind by uncharitable suspicions of them"(Herman Melville)0 -
I thought they already had?
I don't think it is that simple TBH.:(
No, they offered the Alternative Vote on a referendum, which is not PR. AV+ is AV with an extra list of MPs voted for separately. This allows parties with a spread out electoral base to have greater representation. This is what was proposed by the late Roy Jenkins in the late 1990s.
It is not a million miles away from the system used in the Scottish Executive and Greater London Authority.Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. J. K. Galbraith0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »It's definately more likely now, with Brown gone.
I think Clegg, and a lot of the lib dem supporters, would much prefer a coalition with labour. However, it could get messy, as we will then have a government we did not vote in, did not get the majority, needs fringe parties AND needs to elect a leader.
All that together don't sound that great
It sounds incredibly fair to me GD:D The people have voted simply for their local MP's (according to our seat system) and the vast majority of MP's are NOT Tory (sorry to dissapoint). Should those MP's be able to work together as a rainbow coalition they would far more clearly represent the wants of the largest majority of the people of the entire UK than the Tories would.
THAT would be far more democratic than handing the power to a party which ONLY has a majority over the others singly;)"there are some persons in this World who, unable to give better proof of being wise, take a strange delight in showing what they think they have sagaciously read in mankind by uncharitable suspicions of them"(Herman Melville)0 -
Sir_Humphrey wrote: »No, they offered the Alternative Vote on a referendum, which is not PR.
But proper PR would mean we are in the same situation. Why are the LD so sure the public want full PR?
AFIK no one in the country voted for PR so I for one do not want a change of system without my say involved at the moment.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »It is, but I guess if you stand back, and let the others play the games, you may just come out on top.
I got a feeling this whole hung parliament has SO much further to go yet.
Many commentators thought we might have a statement today about the lib-con pact, as the markets would put the pressure on. Far from a statement about a pact, the game has just been flung open!
Which, of course, they should not do! They are there to do their best in a Country which serves a MAJORITY of it's people and NOT to demand that they get the Government which best serves their minority interest!
They have had their one vote and should now just get on with their jobs with their large mouths shut:D
1%, or even 5%, of the population should NEVER be allowed to be considered more important than the rest: that is a feudal system and not a democratic one;)"there are some persons in this World who, unable to give better proof of being wise, take a strange delight in showing what they think they have sagaciously read in mankind by uncharitable suspicions of them"(Herman Melville)0 -
But proper PR would mean we are in the same situation. Why are the LD so sure the public want full PR?
AFIK no one in the country voted for PR so I for one do not want a change of system without my say involved at the moment.
The referendum part is appropriate, the trouble is it would not be a referendum on PR.
Actually under proper PR, there would be a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition/agreement already, because the sticking point between the two parties would not be at stake.Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. J. K. Galbraith0 -
moggylover wrote: »Which, of course, they should not do! They are there to do their best in a Country which serves a MAJORITY of it's people and NOT to demand that they get the Government which best serves their minority interest!
They have had their one vote and should now just get on with their jobs with their large mouths shut
1%, or even 5%, of the population should NEVER be allowed to be considered more important than the rest: that is a feudal system and not a democratic one
That could be the situation in a Rainbow alliance with the SNP/Plaid tail wagging the dog.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Degenerate wrote: »I take it you voted Liberal. You did know you were voting for a party that's policies placed it clearly to the left of the Labour party, right? One that would therefore be a much more natural alliance partner with centre-left Labour than right-wing Conservative?
I really hope so, because otherwise you would look like an ignorant fool who cast his vote badly then whinged about it being "stolen".
:T:T:T:T:T:T:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:"there are some persons in this World who, unable to give better proof of being wise, take a strange delight in showing what they think they have sagaciously read in mankind by uncharitable suspicions of them"(Herman Melville)0
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