No Government.

amcluesent

It’s not being overly dramatic to say that democracy effectively ceased in England on 6th May.

It not just the systemic fraud in the postal voting, orchestrated through the ethnic block-vote of Labour's immigrant millions
Or the brazen trading of UK voting slips in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Or the Common Purpose planned chaos in the polling booths.
Or the State sponsored farce in Barking, worthy of Zimbabwe elections
Or the 41 Labour MP from Scotland, bought and paid for with English taxes
Or the gerry-mandering of constituency boundaries to give Labour a 60 seat advantage

To be honest, the whole thing feels like it’s been pre-agreed by ‘dark forces of which we know little’.

The plain fact is, England has now been stolen from it’s people.

mardatha

Dont give me that about Scottish MPs and English money son - YOU'VE GOT OUR OIL!! AND WHISKY ! How much money do you think YOU OWE US ?
All the forums I'm on worldwide, and I never ever once got any racist remarks from any nation under the sun - apart from the English. Never once.

mitchaa

amcluesent wrote: »

Or the 41 Labour MP from Scotland, bought and paid for with English taxes

What taxes do the English pay that the Scottish do not?

For some unknown reason, I believed everyone in the UK was subject to a 17.5% VAT rate along with 20/40/50% income tax rates and 11%/1% NI rates.

I'm confused as to where the £1.3k deduction from my April's pay went too.

jamespir

i think things should stay as they are now but get rid of brown

tomterm8

mitchaa wrote: »

I'm confused as to where the £1.3k deduction from my April's pay went too.

They pay basically the same taxes, but the money is distributed in different proportions to different regions. English citizens get substantially less per head than Scottish citizens, despite England providing a higher proportion of the UK tax revenues per head.

In addition, Scottish MPs have a say over how English regional money is spent, whereas English MPs do not have a say over how Scottish regional money is spent.

Scottish and Northern Ireland MPs were instrumental in increasing Tuition fees for English students, even though a majority of English MPs voted against the measure in the house of commons.

chris_m

amcluesent wrote: »

Or the 41 Labour MP from Scotland, bought and paid for with English taxes

That's strange, I was under the impression that Scotland formed part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - assuming I haven't missed something that changed that, then it's quite correct that the Scots should be represented in the Westminster Parliament, just the same as it's quite correct that they should pay taxes to the Exchequer of UKoGB&NI.

True, the Scots have their own devolved Parlament (as do the Welsh and, when they can agree about it, the Northern Irish). However, those only deal with issues affecting those countries alone, other issues involving the whole of UKoGB&NI are dealt with by Westminster so the residents of those countries should (indeed, must) have a say in Westminster. The devolved Parliaments/Assemblies could be viewed as extensions of Unitary Authorities and I doubt that any "Little Engerlunder " would argue that residents in Unitary Authority areas shouldn't be represented in Westminster.

The only possible area of contention is if Scottish, Welsh or NI MPs were to vote in Westminster in matters that affect England only - as I understand it, in such votes they quite rightly abstain.

Generali

Total Government Spending Per Head in the UK 2007-8
England: £7,302
Scotland: £8,894
Wales: £8,311
NI: £9,485

Highest spending English region is London with £8,817/head. Lowest is South East with £6,310/head.

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/11%281%29.pdf

This includes spending that benefits all areas. Eg spending on the Paris Embassy will be split equally between the Nations/regions.

Sir_Humphrey

Well, I was at work yesterday. So it seems we do have a government.

The current situation is that we still have a government, but it is still in a state of what is known as purdah. This means that no politically controversial decisions can be made, or politically controversial material released by the civil service. By politically controversial, I mean things that could benefit any political party. However, the non-controversial bread and butter stuff can still go on.

mitchaa

Generali wrote: »

Total Government Spending Per Head in the UK 2007-8
England: £7,302
Scotland: £8,894
Wales: £8,311
NI: £9,485

Highest spending English region is London with £8,817/head. Lowest is South East with £6,310/head.

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/11%281%29.pdf

This includes spending that benefits all areas. Eg spending on the Paris Embassy will be split equally between the Nations/regions.

So Scotland with 5m people spend £8,894 per head and London with 8.5m people spend £8,817 per head. Difference of £77 per head.

Scotland has a lower unemployment rate than England so there are more Scots contributing into the pot than there are English.

Scotland does not control its oil and gas revenues. We go over this argument over and over again.

lostinrates

mitchaa wrote: »

So Scotland with 5m people spend £8,894 per head and London with 8.5m people spend £8,817 per head. Difference of £77 per head.

Scotland has a lower unemployment rate than England so there are more Scots contributing into the pot than there are English.

Scotland does not control its oil and gas revenues. We go over this argument over and over again.

England: the bit that makes Scotland and wales a long train journey from London.