The jobless are no shirking scroungers – you try living on £65.45 a week

carolt

Fair enough - clearly you live in an area where my generalisation doesn't apply.

Yes, I would always check out public transport as a a priority before moving anywhere.

dopester

lostinrates wrote: »

Carolt, I think you over estimate the efficiency of UK's public transport network outside key areas of habitation. I really do.

If you choose to live somewhere remote, where public transport is patchy, and where it's easier to have a car... I don't see what cause you have to complain if your circumstances change and you're struggling for money, or jobs in the local area.

I think Carolt rents her home. She can move easily enough if necessary.

If you own a home and don't like the fact JSA doesn't allow you enough money to run a car, then sell your home and move to where more jobs are. If you rent, give notice and go rent where there are more employment opportunities and better transport links. The government isn't going to pay extra JSA and luxury money so people can have cars to get around in, because they've chosen to live somewhere in the sticks. It's ridiculous. You live in an area where you choose to live.

lostinrates

carolt wrote: »

Fair enough - clearly you live in an area where my generalisation doesn't apply.

Yes, I would always check out public transport as a a priority before moving anywhere.

another nb is that we do have a choice of train stations to drive too. we opt for the cheaper and better train line for DH which is a twenty minute drive. we could go about 12 minutes in the car for a different, less convenient at the London end and horrifically expensive line. Beeching did his worst here. meaning that the limited bus services are the only routes. looking outh of bath and bristol the gaps between train stations would be quite fun to look at, missing reasonably sised places that would be comfortable train commutes otherwise. busing on the infrequent buses to a distant and infrequent train service....impossible, for, e.g. single parents.

The answer of course, might be as simple as moving for the majority. but ....there needs to be a reason to.

PasturesNew

lostinrates wrote: »

another nb is that we do have a choice of train stations to drive too. we opt for the cheaper and better train line for DH which is a twenty minute drive. we could go about 12 minutes in the car for a different, less convenient at the London end and horrifically expensive line. Beeching did his worst here. meaning that the limited bus services are the only routes. looking outh of bath and bristol the gaps between train stations would be quite fun to look at, missing reasonably sised places that would be comfortable train commutes otherwise. busing on the infrequent buses to a distant and infrequent train service....impossible, for, e.g. single parents.

The answer of course, might be as simple as moving for the majority. but ....there needs to be a reason to.

I had a job 50 miles from here, that had a London office and they'd sometimes want me to go there for the day. Going for the day meant getting up at 4am, arriving in London at 10am and getting into the office at 10:30. I then had to be on the 4:45pm train to arrive home about 11pm. Or, I could stay in bed an extra hour, then drive 90 miles and pick the train up in Devon. The trains down here go at 15-30mph (IF/when they're running at all). The first time I did the journey, I turned up at the station, believing I was picking up my ticket ordered via Trainline, only to find that the station didn't even open for another hour, so I had to get on the train anyway and blag it.

Often, all trains are terminated 50 miles away and buses are laid on. Not pleasant as it adds even more time to the journey.

My nearest station has its first train leaving at 10:25, it then travels at about 15mph and takes an hour to go about 12 miles away, where you get off and wait up to an hour for a connection to the next town.

carolt

What a nightmare!

No wonder you drive...

PasturesNew

I just checked online. The town where there's most likely a job near me is half an hour by car, at a cost of £3 each way, or it's 1.25 hours by public transport costing more.

Taking a "normal working day" of 9-5.30pm, by car I could leave home at 8.15 and be home by 6.15, (minimum 8:30 to 6:00), or by public transport it's 07:20 to 19:00. So it's an extra two hours by public transport per day. Often buses will either just drive past you, or simply never come... and you've no idea they're not coming, they just don't turn up.

PasturesNew

Also, public transport just stops. They stop running the service, or they change the times. Here there are two timetable changes per year, so you could get a job you can get to, then the service is cut back or withdrawn. It's just not easy to plan beyond a few months with public transport routes/times.

I was in Aldi the other day and a lad stacking shelves said "I can do Saturday, but I can't get in on Sunday as there are no buses. I really want to do Sunday as I need the money, but there's no buses at all"

jeffmasson

untill we leave the eu and stop the flood of worker england is doomed. Having to many works meens that companys can pay less and if you are only here for a few year to save money to buy a house you don't mind house sharing with lots of mates but liike the rest of us who are from england we want to have a family and you can't do that if you are house sharing. But the pay is to low to do that becouse there is to many workers. Where i work it's 80% non english all are house and room sharing and saving all there money to take home they stay for a few years then go home and buy a nice house and start a family. They spend very little money here. We have not had a pay rice since the easten block joind the eu and flooded in so with the price of fuel i am now would be better off if i did not work.

dopester

What happened to your Autosleeper idea PN?

People are in uproar about loads of new houses in Ireland being demolished, even though many of the Ghost Estates are built fair distances away from areas of employment opportunity. I've noticed quite a few of these newbuild estates seem to be even without street-lighting.

They are against my Pyramid city ideas. Come the time the Conservatives follow their think-tank and start cutting off money to support failing Northern cities, you're on your own for where you've chosen to live. No one owes you a living. No one owes you free money to live comfortable life on + free luxury money to run a car. Aldi boy should get on his bike, electric bike, moped, or hitch, if he wants the Sunday money so bad. Better yet, offer the Sunday to someone who lives closer to the workplace - it's not like people aren't complaining there are no jobs.

PasturesNew

dopester wrote: »

What happened to your Autosleeper idea PN?

I think you (or it might have been somebody else), made me worry I'd buy an old nail. All I was looking at were about 200 miles away, so it wasn't practical to go see them - and I got to thinking that it might be an albatross. So I looked again at my objectives, short-term, medium-term and long-term and came up with Plan B, then finally Plan C. Plan C was executed about three weeks ago. I bought a new vehicle, which I don't want to name here. So I'll PM you.

dopester wrote: »

People are in uproar about loads of new houses in Ireland being demolished, even though many of the Ghost Estates are built fair distances away from areas of employment opportunity. I've noticed quite a few of these newbuild estates seem to be even without street-lighting.

It's such a waste. Any housing must have a purpose. At the right price they'd sell, to be lived in. Maybe they could have bunged in some local services and said they were for semi-retired folks who were starting their own business and who didn't need a proper job. Or holiday homes. Or ... well, it's housing. There must be loads of types of people who don't need employment.

dopester wrote: »

They are against my Pyramid city ideas. Come the time the Conservatives follow their think-tank and start cutting off money to support failing Northern cities, you're on your own for where you've chosen to live. No one owes you a living. No one owes you free money to live comfortable life on + free luxury money to run a car. Aldi boy should get on his bike, electric bike, moped, or hitch, if he wants the Sunday money so bad. Better yet, offer the Sunday to someone who lives closer to the workplace - it's not like people aren't complaining there are no jobs.

Most people don't "choose" where they live, but are driven by events and/or family and roots. It's quite difficult to be mobile in Britain these days. If houses/rents were cheaper it'd be easier to move about. But it's not. You can plan moves if you have money, or you have a long-term plan to move (say a year to get sorted/arranged), but it's all just so darned expensive.

How do you come to be living where you do?