What am i entitled to?

Amistoso_2

There's no need for that, given the time of your posts can we assume you were a little the worst for wear alcohol wise?

I'd remove them if I was you, they're offensive and uncalled for...

richardvc

Whilst I do not necessarily agree with the OP, some of the above comments are nasty at best and highly offensive at worst.

Let's not forget that this site is to help and support people.

kingfisherblue

I agree with Amistoso and Richardvc - the comments are offensive and unnecessary.

chris1973

Let's not forget that this site is to help and support people.

But there is some unwritten assumption falling under the headings of 'common sense' and 'self respect' that those people are also doing everything in their power in order to HELP THEMSELVES rather than expect other people to put in the effort and all of the hours on their behalf.

All of the problems in the world are not going to be solved on one internet forum, there has to be a large amount of personal input already in the equation. Is that really too much to expect?.

Its not reasonable for those being asked for their help, to disect elements of the post put in front of them or to question why an OP is not doing 'x y or z' to help their situation now its been brought to their attention or to ask why they have embarked on what seems to be a fools errand, which has made their situation worse.. If you can't handle people having a differing opinion to your own or questioning genuine areas of your post, then an internet forum probably won't be a healthy place to frequent.

Sadly society seems to be growing with people who want the moon on a stick and who think that life is a gift wrapped package which is presented to them upon leaving school. You only have to look at some of the topic / post titles which inevitably begin with statements like

"What am I entitled too"

"What can I get"

"What can I claim"

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME mentality - FACT

Whilst a lot of posts, of course, are genuine and from people in real hardship or trouble through no fault of their own, There does seem to be a growing number of people who think that just because their Mothers carried them for 9 months, society is going to do the same, and without question, for the rest of their life!

I have a friend who works 8am to 4.30 pm and then returns home for their tea and a shower and then begins a second job between 6.30 and 10.00 pm loading parcels into a van for a well known carrier company - 5 days a week. His wife stays at home looking after the kids, but paints little pottery ornaments in their spare room during the quiet moments for some additional income. Together, with a collective 3 minimum wage jobs, they probably earn well under what a well paid 9-5 city job in a affulent area would bring, but they do it regardless. I 've never once heard any of them complain or to question why they shouldn't give up one job and expect society to foot the shortfall.

Perhaps in todays no'err do nothing society - that puts them in a minority.

There are also a frightening number of posts talking about people simply jacking in jobs on a whim and throwing themselves upon the mercy of JSA / Benefits as a substitute for what seems to be a steady job and then post the most transparant of excuses as a reason. WHY?. Does anybody not bother to question this?.

I don't agree with personal comments though and some of the above are completely out of order and nobody wins an argument on an internet forum nor can they judge personality from a handful of internet posts. No doubt this post will draw similar fire, probably because it tugs the 'too close to home' nerve on some individuals. Not that I care either way, its only an opinion, not an attempt to win friends!.

If you really want to know what SOCIETY really owes you, then take a look at the Elderly people of today who probably left school and started work at age 14 or 15 and worked all of their lives for a pathetic wage in dangerous factory or underground environment for 12 hours a day without any do-gooders, minimum wage, or European laws to look out for their welfare, and treat yourself to a great big dose of reality, when you see what their pension is paying them as a reward!.

ClareEmily

I would love to be a SAHM but my husband isn't in a fortunate position to support us both long term, so after 6 months I will be returning to work. Luckily my hubby being a taxi driver can look after our baby during the day so this is possible, although if he couldn't I would have to use a nursery.

It does make me sick that some people can pop out kids like peas and expect the state to pay for them, and some of the time this does indeed happen.

Jomo

chris1973 wrote: »

But there is some unwritten assumption falling under the headings of 'common sense' and 'self pride' that those people are also doing everything in their power in order to HELP THEMSELVES rather than expect other people to put in the effort and all of the hours on their behalf. All of the problems in the world are not going to be solved on one forum, there has to be a personal input in the equation.

Its not reasonable for those being asked for their help, to disect elements of the post put in front of them or to question why an OP is not doing 'x y or z' to help their situation now its been brought to their attention. If you can't handle people having a differing opinion to your own or questioning genuine areas of your post, then an internet forum probably won't be a healthy place to frequent.

Sadly society seems to be growing with people who want the moon on a stick and who think that life is a gift wrapped package which is presented to them upon leaving school. You only have to look at some of the topic / post titles which inevitably begin with statements like

"What am I entitled too"

"What can I get"

"What can I claim"

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME mentality - FACT

Whilst some, of course, are genuine posts from people in hardship or trouble through no fault of their own, There does seem to be a growing number of people who think that just because their Mothers carried them for 9 months, society is going to do the same, without question, for the rest of their life!

I have a friend who works 8am to 4.30 pm and then returns home for their tea and a shower and then begins a second job between 6.30 and 10.00 pm loading parcels into a van for a well known carrier company - 5 days a week. His wife stays at home looking after the kids, but paints little pottery ornaments in their spare room for some additional income. Together they probably earn well under what a well paid 9-5 job in a affulent area would bring, but they do it regardless. I 've never once heard any of them complain or to question why they shouldn't give up one job and expect society to foot the shortfall.

Perhaps in todays no'err do nothing society - that puts them in a minority.

There are also a frightening number of posts talking about people simply jacking in jobs on a whim and throwing themselves upon the mercy of JSA / Benefits as a substitute for what could be a steady job. WHY?. Does anybody not bother to question this?.

I don't agree with personal comments though and some of the above are completely out of order and nobody wins an argument on an internet forum. No doubt this post will draw similar fire, probably because it tugs the 'too close to home' nerve on some individuals. Not that I care either way, its only an opinion, not an attempt to win friends!.

If you really want to know what SOCIETY owes you, then take a look at the Elderly people of today who probably left school and started work at age 14 or 15 and worked all of their lives in dangerous factory or underground environments for 12 hours a day without any do-gooders or European laws to look out for their welfare, and treat yourself to a great big dose of reality.

Well said, if everyone put in half as much effort life would be so much better...can't count the number of times I have thought about giving it all up...it seems this goverment likes dependancy...oh well, lets hope Gordon gets chucked out and we can have change...

A bit of optimism on a friday

chris1973

It does make me sick that some people can pop out kids like peas and expect the state to pay for them, and some of the time this does indeed happen.

Agree 100%, whilst the working population hope and pray that their boss rewards their past years' hard work with a yearly pay review and a raise, some others just lie on the sofa and celebrate the start of a new financial year by popping out another baby as their increased and gauranteed means of an income for the coming years!.

Of course the Government actively reward having kids, because in 16 years' time you'll have effectively raised the next generation of milkable taxpayers. One of the reasons why single people, are often entitled to nixt in support and benefits, even though they are just as likely to be working on a low income and have to use the same priced Electricity and Gas, and eat the same food as couples and families!.

I'm also not sure what this recently introduced "taking more time to spend with the children" excuse is that some people come up with for jacking in a perfectly good and steady job. On this estate very few of the parents seem to work and yet their kids seem to run riot and feral - no sign of any quality time being spent there, even though they don't work and so effectively have 24 hours and 7 days a week to do so.

richardvc

chris1973 wrote: »

But there is some unwritten assumption falling under the headings of 'common sense' and 'self respect' that those people are also doing everything in their power in order to HELP THEMSELVES rather than expect other people to put in the effort and all of the hours on their behalf.

All of the problems in the world are not going to be solved on one internet forum, there has to be a large amount of personal input already in the equation. Is that really too much to expect?.

Its not reasonable for those being asked for their help, to disect elements of the post put in front of them or to question why an OP is not doing 'x y or z' to help their situation now its been brought to their attention or to ask why they have embarked on what seems to be a fools errand, which has made their situation worse.. If you can't handle people having a differing opinion to your own or questioning genuine areas of your post, then an internet forum probably won't be a healthy place to frequent.

Sadly society seems to be growing with people who want the moon on a stick and who think that life is a gift wrapped package which is presented to them upon leaving school. You only have to look at some of the topic / post titles which inevitably begin with statements like

"What am I entitled too"

"What can I get"

"What can I claim"

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME mentality - FACT

Whilst a lot of posts, of course, are genuine and from people in real hardship or trouble through no fault of their own, There does seem to be a growing number of people who think that just because their Mothers carried them for 9 months, society is going to do the same, and without question, for the rest of their life!

I have a friend who works 8am to 4.30 pm and then returns home for their tea and a shower and then begins a second job between 6.30 and 10.00 pm loading parcels into a van for a well known carrier company - 5 days a week. His wife stays at home looking after the kids, but paints little pottery ornaments in their spare room during the quiet moments for some additional income. Together, with a collective 3 minimum wage jobs, they probably earn well under what a well paid 9-5 city job in a affulent area would bring, but they do it regardless. I 've never once heard any of them complain or to question why they shouldn't give up one job and expect society to foot the shortfall.

Perhaps in todays no'err do nothing society - that puts them in a minority.

There are also a frightening number of posts talking about people simply jacking in jobs on a whim and throwing themselves upon the mercy of JSA / Benefits as a substitute for what seems to be a steady job and then post the most transparant of excuses as a reason. WHY?. Does anybody not bother to question this?.

I don't agree with personal comments though and some of the above are completely out of order and nobody wins an argument on an internet forum nor can they judge personality from a handful of internet posts. No doubt this post will draw similar fire, probably because it tugs the 'too close to home' nerve on some individuals. Not that I care either way, its only an opinion, not an attempt to win friends!.

If you really want to know what SOCIETY really owes you, then take a look at the Elderly people of today who probably left school and started work at age 14 or 15 and worked all of their lives for a pathetic wage in dangerous factory or underground environment for 12 hours a day without any do-gooders, minimum wage, or European laws to look out for their welfare, and treat yourself to a great big dose of reality, when you see what their pension is paying them as a reward!.

Whilst I agree with the majority of your sentiments it is still no excuse to be rude/offensive to people.

I noticed how many posters on this site are now so brave behind a keyboard !!!!!!

dodger1

richardvc wrote: »

Whilst I agree with the majority of your sentiments it is still no excuse to be rude/offensive to people.

I noticed how many posters on this site are now so brave behind a keyboard !!!!!!

Although I personally haven't been rude or offensive I do understand those peoples frustrations when we live in a "what am I entitled to" society.