MSE Parents Club Part 12

SusanC_2

aless02 wrote: »

the poo will come out no problem, it was just the grossness of being barefoot. I actually strongly dislike our cat, she's a million years old and annoys the crap out me. I want a dog

Could use some funny baby stories for cheering up, having a really tough time at the moment.

:grouphug:

Will funny pretend baby stories do?

Last night "Molly" had gone to bed in our room and we were putting her wardrobe up in her room. When it got to the banging nails in bit, I went to cuddle her while OH did the nails because otherwise that kind of thing makes her cry. After I'd been in a while she said, "I'm wearing your pyjamas." And she was. Then she asked me, "Do you like eyes?" Then she stroked my forehead and said, "Do you like the forehead which God gave to you?" Can't say I've ever particularly given my forehead that much thought.

ETA: I just realised I was a bit ambiguous: I mean the baby bit was pretend - the story is real.

Sarah_Joanne

Aww ok. I am awful on no sleep so I really sympathise. I'm a bit far away for any practical help but have a ((((hug))))

Somnium

Morning ladies havent been on for a few days have had a rough few nights and no idea why, not all of them down to T tho. However last night was the worse she just didnt want to go to sleep, her last day time nap was 3.30pm and it took me till midnight to get her off!! She was so grouchy and had a touch of wind poor little thing. didnt help me having what I think may have been a panick attack at about 10.30 and just bawling my eyes out while cuddling her. Dues to OH tho he figured out I was struggling and came to my rescue, which I think is a first, so we may get him trained still lol. Anyhoo apart from some sleep deprevation we all seem to be good this morning and my cute smiley baby is back Really hope what ever it was is gone now.

Aless - ick at cat poo :eek:

DK - Hugs for poorly H, bless her not complaing through the night. Hope your immunes come back ok x Let me know if you fancy meeting up again anytime x Oh and I think Tesco had a 2 for £? something swim nappy offer.

SS - wow at Mandrin speaking 4 yo, wonder how fluent he was an if he'll keep it up!

maz - I remember Always saying she had a pop up thingy and said it was fab

Jenny - :eek: last minute.com visit, hope you got/get everything done.

beanie - love the Mam bottles they look so cool, have bought a couple but yet to use so good info to know. And again woah at Vtech bargain I love their toys. Hope you get your Jools and refund ok x Ooh and love the pics

Glam -yeay for mse creche fees and jack setlling well

AF - I have a charmilla (sp) braclet my Mum got me for christmas I really love it and its the same as the Pandora style, HM Samuels and Ernst and Jones sell them so easy to get the matching charms, tho alot of other charms fit the braclet too and are cheaper.

Docs yesterday and Ts bellybutton is healing well then clinic and also all good and now weighing a healthy 11lb 5oz so a whole 1lb gained in 3 weeks. Excited as OH has all next week off so just deciding what we can do, any one got any ideas for cheap baby friendly days out.

kindofagilr

No it wasnt Bruno thats wrong

They really did crash on the island, and the ones who died on the island really did die, the ones that managed to get off the island really got off the island

The sideways worlds (where Jack has a son for example) that was purgotory it was three they all waitied for each other before they corssed over.

SJ sorry you were wrong, this here explains it better than I can, whited out

First ... The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw
throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane
crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how
far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They
really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of
good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that
role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the
first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a
malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He
created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the
rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one
thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates
that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB
corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until
Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a
more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time
grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought
to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to
kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by
"corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when
in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all
of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob
as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later
were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the
candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do
for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by
MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was
Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their
overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of
Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a
question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the
writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for
yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague.
Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates"
(our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded:
free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades
and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the
end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley
would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always
the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith.
Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to
happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack
get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley
the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But
again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the
fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very
first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and
Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always
been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in
fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and
metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love
history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room
about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked
to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not
exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us
duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These
are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to
lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western
religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious
philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created
this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are
"awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they
can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's
concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their
own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives
and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful
notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we
live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and
subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED
to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these
events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the
universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to
happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately
came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the
series. The one question that has been at the root of every island
mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself,
is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer.
Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought
that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we
discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long
chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this
Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael
appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just
like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was
not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven
himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the
test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they
died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe
centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are
"awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked.
They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles,
Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically
everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways
world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide.
The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left
behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they
can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the
island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot ---
Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into
the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it
gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet
because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to
be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan,
Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more
than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and
Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them
connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are
ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins
etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the
church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people
is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot.
And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe
them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud
them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to
have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show.
They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church --
but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with
Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For
those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked
into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the
other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked
on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had
never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too
many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved
(X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what
LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing
a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and
STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I
learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers,
PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith,
the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows
don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story
-- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long
and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

aless02

susan, i love alice stories! I wish i lived close, she'd be so fun to hang out with (u too of course!)

The arrival of my new purple Petite Star Zia has cheered things slightly

SusanC_2

Alice is crying because Daddy's gone to work.

workinmummy

jillie1974 wrote: »

where does he keep them? could you not sneak a peak

Kept in his desk at work. But he actually managed to bring the p60 home last night. Forms posted this morning on way to work.

Sami_Bee wrote: »

:rotfl:randomly my friend that lives near you had her's threaded t'other week before her holiday, I'll ask her where/how much I've only ever had mine waxed

Thanks you

jennynoo wrote: »

Hurrah! I won the brown dress

You beat me

Have about 10 episodes of Lost to catch up on, on Sky+, so am ignoring the whiteouts.

SusanC_2

aless02 wrote: »

susan, i love alice stories! I wish i lived close, she'd be so fun to hang out with (u too of course!)

Move to the north east - it's the best part of England. (In my totally biased opinion.)

Mazcabs

Blimey KOAG that was a post and a half... not sure if I'm more confused than ever now cos I only watched first 2 series of Lost

elle_gee

Morning all..

*hugs* all round, particularly for the sleep deprived

We were at Nottingham for Rhys' latest renal specialist appointment yesterday. Good news is that, depending on the results of yesterday's blood test, we may be able to reduce some meds again and reduce the blood tests down to two-monthly instead of monthly. Also awaiting the results of the ultrasound scan he had yesterday too but I think the basic result is that nothing much has changed from last time. We still of course have to watch his diet and have been reminded that although there is no way of judging these things and the decline will be a slow one, only known over a series of blood test results, we're looking at transplant in early to mid childhood :cool: But, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it... in the meantime, must be very thankful he's stable for now

Today, we're having our only slobbing out at home day this week - feels like ages since me and Rhys have just chilled at home Sadly, he's not all that chilled - he has a runny nose and is coughing, spluttering and sneezing every five minutes. :cool: Seems happy enough sneezing over me/himself/his toys/his breakfast though.. and wiping his nose on his sleeve before I can get to him with a tissue _pale_

We have our new Health Visitor coming round at 1pm. We had a letter, something about "a change of method of service delivery" or something and all the HVs have been reassigned new areas and they're all coming out to meet everyone. I've spoken to ours on the phone (needed to rearrange the appointment from Tuesday to today) and she sounds nice I need to do a quick tidy up before then but I spotted a huge spider run across the living room floor earlier when I had Rhys asleep on me and I didn't see where it went so a bit scared of moving anything now! :eek:

I'm off out for a yummy mummies night out tonight with Claire and the girls from Boogie Babies

Oh, and one more piece of good news from us.. after the saga that's been drawn out for over 18months now, OH has finally been promoted! :j Same job as before, but more responsibility, means deputising for the manager (aka in control of the entire site in a major emergency :eek:), lots more training paid for and a over 20% payrise

Right, enough drivel from me. Off to see if the snotty one will have a nap so I can tidy up.. :cool:

Hope everyone has a good/better day (and a nap where required!) xx