Forbidden from displaying political posters in AST- is this right/fair?

geri1965_2

lynzpower wrote: »

This clause has been around longer than the BNP in its current incarnation has as In 96 It was in my very first ast. Im sure it goes back even further than this?

The BNP had been around for years in 1996.

tbs624

lynzpower wrote: »

IS this a joke!??

Unfortunately, it's from an actual AST, but it did make me laugh:rotfl:

StudentMoneySaver

tbs624 wrote: »

I like this one:;)

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1.3 Not to use the property for any illegal or immoral purposes. Not to hold or permit to be held any political or religious meeting in the property or any other part of the property. Not to use the premises for dancing, music or singing lessons or practice providing that this clause shall not prohibit prayer meetings twice daily over a period of seven days following the funeral of any of the Tenant(s).[/FONT]

That has to win for the most ridiculous clause in a contract.

My contract includes the 'immoral' part of that clause. While not the most bizarre part of the clause, it does raise the question 'who is the arbiter of morality?'.

It sounds like one of those clauses that are included for the sake of it and cannot really be enforced.

tbs624

That particular AST has many more howlers.

It also has the sort of clause that Lynzpower was talking about

"Not to display any poster, advertisement, notice or other writing of any description so as to be visible outside the property."

So, I guess that excludes a note to the milkman or a note of your meter reading for the Accuread guys, & very definitely the leaving of your torrid love letters on the window sill

Here’s one ( from the same AST) that regular posters and all Tenants will love:

”To permit the Landlord or the Landlords Agent during the last 6 months of the tenancy to view the property with prospective tenants or purchasers. Wheneever (sic) possible. twenty four hours notice will be given in this respect.

During this period the property must be maintained in a cleaned and tidy condition so as not to deter prospective tenants. "

Barnaby Bear would very definitely be in breach of that one:D

makeup

I work for a local authority and we have this problem at the moment, mostly due to purdah restrictions around elections.

Obviously most of our tenants are not on AST's but I'm sure we do have a few who are on them and I'm sure this would be in there.

We don't allow any posters or advertising for any political party / cause on or in any of our buildings during purdah which we have for both general and local elections right now.

Ditch_Crawler

makeup wrote: »

I work for a local authority and we have this problem at the moment, mostly due to purdah restrictions around elections.

Obviously most of our tenants are not on AST's but I'm sure we do have a few who are on them and I'm sure this would be in there.

We don't allow any posters or advertising for any political party / cause on or in any of our buildings during purdah which we have for both general and local elections right now.

I love it! I'm gonna go live in one of those countries who do 'purdah', get a job, and then demand a day's pay for staying at home every time there's a bank holiday in England!

xx

lynzpower

makeup wrote: »

I work for a local authority and we have this problem at the moment, mostly due to purdah restrictions around elections.

Obviously most of our tenants are not on AST's but I'm sure we do have a few who are on them and I'm sure this would be in there.

We don't allow any posters or advertising for any political party / cause on or in any of our buildings during purdah which we have for both general and local elections right now.

But arnt purdah restrictions to do with the politicians makingpolicy annoucements/ reshufffles and other "day to day running the country announcement"

http://www.wragge.com/analysis_5609.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/05/dowestillneedpurdah


How does a political poster ( eg vote conservative) got anything to do with purdah,can you explain this more for us please?

Out of interest, how do you enforce it if you ( the organisation) sees it?

INcidentally the use of the word purdah has been banned for use in the Welsh assembly given its colonial overtones.

clutton_2

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I work for a local authority and we have this problem at the moment, mostly due to purdah restrictions around elections.

Obviously most of our tenants are not on AST's but I'm sure we do have a few who are on them and I'm sure this would be in there.

We don't allow any posters or advertising for any political party / cause on or in any of our buildings during purdah which we have for both general and local elections right now."


what utter rubbish !!!!!!! now we have utter proof that local authorities make up the law as they go along.....

this is a DEMOCRACY and if folks want to put things in their windows as long as it is not racist/sexist/blah blah THEY CAN !!!!!

ITS CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH and its what 2 world wars were fought for ......


just on principle i would be putting posters of lots of parties in my windows if i lived there......

Planner

lynzpower wrote: »

This clause has been around longer than the BNP in its current incarnation has as In 96 It was in my very first ast. Im sure it goes back even further than this?

Not that its worth a response, but I think you will find such political movements, BNP included, have been around significantly longer than 1996.

Could I also suggest you look up the phrase 'for example'

tbs624

Originally Posted by tbs624
I like this one:;)[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1.3 Not to use the property for any illegal or immoral purposes. Not to hold or permit to be held any political or religious meeting in the property or any other part of the property. Not to use the premises for dancing, music or singing lessons or practice providing that this clause shall not prohibit prayer meetings twice daily over a period of seven days following the funeral of any of the Tenant(s).[/FONT]

Eton_Rifle wrote: »

sounds like an insurance issue to me. The house has been let as a private home but the situations above would probably make it a public space.

Sorry but that's nonsense. A T may explicitly be required to use the property for residential purposes but a LL cannot hope to make such prescriptive clauses stand.

Who defines what constitutes a "political or religious meeting"? Would the following come under that heading: a group of neighbours who want to meet to decide how best to lobby one of the local Councillors/their MP on a specific issue affecting them ? A chat with your local vicar?

The wording is so poor that part of the clause could be taken as a prohibition on "lessons in dancing, music or singing" or alternatively that dancing and music , plus singing lessons/practice are prohibited. Should the T be in breach for warbling in their bath or dancing round the kitchen? Should a member of a choir not be allowed to sing through their pieces whilst in their home?

As part of the regulation of the Private Rented Sector it's time that a specific standard format for all ASTs was put in place, with a very small number of optional clauses available for particular circumstances.