Comment made by my boss - My rights

BOB_A_H

Bobl wrote: »

You fed the beast again.

Thats right, you " managers " close ranks, circle the wagons etc.

BOB_A_H

Bobl wrote: »

Just a suggestion - you could stay in this thread and be an a$$, that's your perogative.


So I am an a$$ because my opinion differs to yours?

BOB_A_H

terra_ferma wrote: »

Oh I see. Someone has a chip on their shoulder...


No, just my personal experience in recent years. Management see being wrong as a sign of weakness rather than just being human.

An ounce of humility would not go amiss now and again.

jdx

BOB_A_H wrote: »

An ounce of humility would not go amiss now and again.

I have to say I agree with this.

As for the comment, I would definitely check to see if he will pursue the matter or if it is now dropped.

HO87

Getting back to the original post, the crucial element are the following words: [my emphasis]

indierocker85 wrote: »

Hi guys
I was spoken to in a formal investigation meeting by my boss regarding alleged bad behaviour on my part.

If, indeed, the meeting was merely an investigative one (formal or otherwise, it matters not) as the OP's words would seem to indicate then, at that stage, his manager is under no obligation to disclose the source of the allegation. That having been said the substance would have to be disclosed in order to allow the OP some opportunity to offer his own account and as a result the source may become apparent.

indierocker85 wrote: »

He asked me if I had ever threatened anybody on my team. To which I very strongly replied No, and I was very adamant that I had said no such thing. And was very eager to know who had said this, and the details of it. As I view it as being a very severe allegation indeed.

What are my rights to this info? As my boss is saying that he isn't willing to tell me

Were the matters to progress to a disciplinary meeting then there is an obligation to disclose the allegations in the form they were made. There are provisions for the complainant/source's identity to be withheld at that stage and in particular circumstances. These may arise in cases where the manager can demonstrate that he reasonably believes that he is concerned that reprisals/recrimination/victimisation may follow. Were the matter to progress to Tribunal then the manager would have to justify this action.

jdturk

BOB_A_H wrote: »

terra_ferma wrote: »

Oh I see, what you need to be a good manager is to know all about Management Theory, forget about experience, communication, leadership etc.....

I am not saying these qualities are not important, far from it but I would bet that yourself, freinds and family members have all had a " manager " that had none of the aforesaid skills or qualifications.

There is no doubt in my mind, that there are thousands of managers in the U.K today who could not " lace the boots " of many of their subordinates.

How did that type of " manager " get to where they are? Luck, nepotism and ars* licking perhaps?

You just sound bitter Bob, are you a manager and if not why do you think you are not?

terra_ferma

Still off topic I'm afraid...

I'd just like to say that there is no such thing as 'management' as a universal category.
The 'us' and 'them' attitude is only in some people's mind.

First of all every manager has a manager themselves. Even CEO have to report to a board, and some chairs can be very involved. Managers can be bullied, discriminated against etc, like staff (and have no union back up).
Secondly a first line manager can be worse off than their staff, very little difference in money, pressure and stress from both sides, and hardly any decision making power. How can you put that on the same level as a senior manager earning a lot of money in salary and bonuses, and with a great deal of power?

The word manager is so vague to be practically meaningless.

wymondham

BOB_A_H wrote: »

No surprise there then! Heard an article on the radio recently that stated only 1 in 5 managers in the U.K have managment qualifications.

That high!!??

Tongue

roysterer wrote: »

Are you suggesting a spotty graduate just out of nappies with a degree in business management is what management is all about?
Experience and knowledge are the qualifications that a manager needs.
I am not a manager, but have worked for many over the last 35 years.
I have to say that the standard of management today is going down year on year, even if the so called qualification requirement is supposedly going up!!!!!
I would guess I am not alone with these thoughts. A lot of the so called highly educated managers could'nt manage a school Tuck Shop.

Here here, well said that forumite!

Tongue

indierocker85 wrote: »

Hi guys

I was spoken to in a formal investigation meeting by my boss regarding alleged bad behaviour on my part.

He asked me if I had ever threatened anybody on my team. To which I very strongly replied No, and I was very adamant that I had said no such thing. And was very eager to know who had said this, and the details of it. As I view it as being a very severe allegation indeed.

What are my rights to this info? As my boss is saying that he isn't willing to tell me

Sounds like your a bit of a bully doesn't it?
Why get so uptight about who has accused you of threatening them, you know who you threatened and why you did it.
You don't like people standing up to you, like all bullies don't and are getting all shirty over your own bad behaviour aren't you bully?