Pay cut ... or we axe 800 jobs

markharding557

There is going to be a lot more of this soon i reckon

alfiesmum

Not trying to start an argument, but I genuinely don't understand. Why are council workers the biggest bar stewards under the sun? I really do want to know - good reason for wanting to find out! xx

bo_drinker

alfiesmum wrote: »

Not trying to start an argument, but I genuinely don't understand. Why are council workers the biggest bar stewards under the sun? I really do want to know - good reason for wanting to find out! xx

Top heavy with staff where they are not needed with safe posts/ pensions. Meanwhile the roads are full of pot holes and paths are strewn with litter...... etc etc etc.
They will be getting a taste of the real world and not before time.
How many people are happy with their councils performance which costs more every year and doesn't get any better.
Heads need to roll and anyone in these type of posts need to perform, they have had an easy ride for far too long.

kennyboy66_2

Let me get this right. A quasi council firm is making people redundant and people on this board are celebrating.
These people are home helps / cleaners / dinner ladies. Maybe £7 an hour is too much (certainly more than private sector in Glasgow), but in general, the majority of these jobs need doing.

I can think of plenty of things the State should not be doing but providing education is not one of them. If we have state schools, someone has to clean them and someone has to feed the kids.

What is wrong with you people ?

kennyboy66_2

alfiesmum wrote: »

Not trying to start an argument, but I genuinely don't understand. Why are council workers the biggest bar stewards under the sun? I really do want to know - good reason for wanting to find out! xx

The guy who is the lollypop man on our way to school and never misses a days work and knows all the kids name.

The lifeguard at the local swimming pool who looked after my daughter when she banged her head the other month.

The home help who helps a woman down the road and does odd jobs for her in her own time.

All utter bar stewards.

Davesnave

bo_drinker wrote: »

Top heavy with staff where they are not needed with safe posts/ pensions. Meanwhile the roads are full of pot holes and paths are strewn with litter...... etc etc etc.
They will be getting a taste of the real world and not before time.
How many people are happy with their councils performance which costs more every year and doesn't get any better.
Heads need to roll and anyone in these type of posts need to perform, they have had an easy ride for far too long.

As I was only saying to my wife yesterday as we drove down the special road for ex-public servants, heading for the exclusive shop for those with a gold-plated goverment pension, "I wonder what it's like in the 'real world?'"

I guess if we ever find out, we might have to live normally like everyone else and spend our money - it all seems to go every month - in the businesses run by, and employing, those poor 'ordinary folk.'

Gosh!:eek:

dopester

kennyboy66 wrote: »

Let me get this right. A quasi council firm is making people redundant and people on this board are celebrating.
These people are home helps / cleaners / dinner ladies. Maybe £7 an hour is too much (certainly more than private sector in Glasgow), but in general, the majority of these jobs need doing.

I can think of plenty of things the State should not be doing but providing education is not one of them. If we have state schools, someone has to clean them and someone has to feed the kids.

What is wrong with you people ?

I've got way more sympathy for these £7ph workers, than MarkIV's (name?) position on the teacher thread, calling for pay-freezes/cuts to be limited to those only earning £65K or more.

I've got no evidence for this, but it seems to me that the minimum-wage, which perhaps allowed some workers to earn £1 / £2 ph more by law (and may have cost jobs too) from a free-market / choice to take a job paying £X ph or not..

..also was the beginning of massive pay-rise awards for employees higher up in the employment-chain, especially in the public sector, to £10K-£40K increases on what they'd otherwise be paid without the minimum wage having come in.

Old_Slaphead

kennyboy66 wrote: »

The guy who is the lollypop man on our way to school and never misses a days work and knows all the kids name.

The lifeguard at the local swimming pool who looked after my daughter when she banged her head the other month.

The home help who helps a woman down the road and does odd jobs for her in her own time.

All utter bar stewards.

I think you have to ask the question why, when government spending has more than doubled and employment in the public sector has increased by more than 1 million, are councils, hospitals etc cutting back on lowest paid staff ?
I can only assume as the amount spent in the public sector has soared and value for money gone down that it's down poor management of resources. It's the expensive bureaucratic jobs which should be cut and not the front line. Not everyone is on £7ph and/or doing an essential job.

If you want an area when cost savings could be made - look at Carbon Trust. They're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (no climate change pun intended)

lemonjelly

Exocet wrote: »

I may be wrong but if you are knocking council staff and celebrating not sure this is any help. The company Cordia sounds like a private company to me, so the council cutbacks are in effect being passed on to the private sector. Just thought you'd like to know.

The council have outsourced some of its statutory duties to a private company. So essentially, rather than the council do it, they pay someone else to do it. Sounds ok in theory doesn't it?

However, the private company will obviously only be doing this to make a profit. If it isn't profitable, then it isn't worth them doing it. Interestingly, service standards don't come into it.

The companies profit margins are threatened. Biggest expenditure is obviously staff costs. Easiest way to reduce costs is get rid of loads of staff. Worry about the impact on services later. Main thing is to PROTECT THE PROFITS.

& before the "its my tax money" brigade start, just remember that their profit is essentially your tax money - money that isn't required to run the service, that they are just creaming off & taking out the system. You wanna pay less in tax? Stop councils & government depts from outsourcing.

kennyboy66 wrote: »

Let me get this right. A quasi council firm is making people redundant and people on this board are celebrating.
These people are home helps / cleaners / dinner ladies. Maybe £7 an hour is too much (certainly more than private sector in Glasgow), but in general, the majority of these jobs need doing.

I can think of plenty of things the State should not be doing but providing education is not one of them. If we have state schools, someone has to clean them and someone has to feed the kids.

What is wrong with you people ?

Couldn't have put it better. Is it suprising that it is the school holidays? Worryingly, some of these people are allowed to vote...

treliac

lemonjelly wrote: »

The council have outsourced some of its statutory duties to a private company. So essentially, rather than the council do it, they pay someone else to do it. Sounds ok in theory doesn't it?

However, the private company will obviously only be doing this to make a profit. If it isn't profitable, then it isn't worth them doing it. Interestingly, service standards don't come into it.....

One of the best examples to look at is the privatised home care service as we now have it. Absolute crap for so many elderly and disabled people who are neglected and badly treated and don't have the voice or strength to do anything about it.