We are all in this together, well not if you are in a union.

Really2

lostinrates wrote: »

Not necessarily salary: work life balance too. Conversely, if you want someone with the choice of those to jobs to work many hours lat into the night, barely see their children etc you need to pay THEM a a salary commensurate with that!

I think that is a good point training to be a teacher is very time intensive. That is why for most it is a career they carve from their university education onwards.

After that point it is very hard to fund/balance.

marklv

The_White_Horse wrote: »

but an accountant in a big firm is earning his keep by billing and making a profit - he he makes no profit, he will lose his job.

meanwhile the accountant working in the public sector makes no money - but is just a drain on public resources. if the public sector accountant wants to earn a big firm wage, he could, lets see.... hmmmm.. i know - work at a big firm. the problem is, he wouldn't stand a chance in a big firm and he knows it.

My friend is a chartered accountant and they laugh at the revenue's accountants. they are a joke. wouldn't last 5 minutes in the real world. same with the CPS. They are useless and would last 5 minutes in a big firm. So many cases fail because of their incompetence. Now, you're answer, like many lefties, is probably to throw more money at it. that is not the answer.

public sector workers are generally the failures. thank god there is no proper divide between private and public health care or else you would see a massive difference in the standard of doctors. the decent ones would work private and the failures that couldn't hack it in the real world would be at the nhs.

Teachers the same. So many are soooooo bad. They fail the kids. Many teachers in private schools don't even have teaching diplomas yet are 100% better than the state school teachers? why? If we pay the idiot 30% more will they be 30% better? I don't think so.

Public sector - the biggest cancer and threat to the economy

Total and utter tripe. Beyond ridiculous.:rotfl:

The truth is that you get some utter morons in the private sector who hide behind others and manage to stay in jobs becasue the employer doens't have a proper appraisal system. Some of the brightest people I know work in the public sector and they put others to shame. Everything you post is hysterical rubbish that would be more at home in the more extreme right wing fringes of the Conservative Party.

The_White_Horse

public sector = entitlement attitude

you are performing a service which generates nothing. the tax paying public (yes you pay tax but it is meaningless as you don't create any wealth, so its just the same money we have already paid) have a right to pay as little as possible. If we feel you get too much, then you get too much. you all need mass paycuts, and if you don't like it, leave and go to the private sector.

leeching cretins.

you pay tax hahahahahahahahahaha and I am a farmer when I sit on the toilet - oh, look at all that produce falling out my !!!.

The_White_Horse

marklv wrote: »

Total and utter tripe. Beyond ridiculous.:rotfl:

every word is true and you know it. hence the failure to come up with anything.

the public sector will soon get their comeuppance.

lostinrates

Really2 wrote: »

I think that is a good point training to be a teacher is very time intensive. That is why for most it is a career they carve from their university education onwards.

After that point it is very hard to fund/balance.

Is the training so much more time intensive than many other post grad careers? (I don't know). Are there grants/funding available?

The_White_Horse

actually, i think the best way to deal with public sector workers is to introduce a special 60% public sector paye rate. they won't mind.

marklv

misskool wrote: »

So why can't we say the same for the public sector? If you're about to get a pay cut and you're not happy with your job, go elsewhere?

Why the double standards?

Because many public sector jobs do not have private sector equivalents. I am fortunate in the sense that I have skills in heavy demand in the private sector and the recession has made little difference to me. But I chose to work in the public sector because I wanted to and because I don't want to be 'pimped' out as a consultant any more. However, the truth is that many people in the public sector have skills specific to that sector only, so 'going elsewhere' is only practical if it's within the public sector.

misskool

lostinrates wrote: »

Is the training so much more time intensive than many other post grad careers? (I don't know). Are there grants/funding available?

You do get paid a stipend, I think it's about £1k a month tax free. Not sure if all teachers on a PGCE get it. The training is quite intensive, you have to attend lectures and do the homework for it and prepare lessons for school and be a full time teacher.

misskool

marklv wrote: »

Because many public sector jobs do not have private sector equivalents. I am fortunate in the sense that I have skills in heavy demand in the private sector and the recession has made little difference to me. But I chose to work in the public sector because I wanted to and because I don't want to be 'pimped' out as a consultant any more. However, the truth is that many people in the public sector have skills specific to that sector only, so 'going elsewhere' is only practical if it's within the public sector.

But if your public sector job is getting a pay cut and you don't accept it, you should be able to do as you advise the private sector worker to leave and get another job then?

What's the problem?

What skills are so specific to the public sector that they can't be transferable? You moved from one to another so clearly the skills are not mutually exclusive?

lostinrates

misskool wrote: »

You do get paid a stipend, I think it's about £1k a month tax free. Not sure if all teachers on a PGCE get it. The training is quite intensive, you have to attend lectures and do the homework for it and prepare lessons for school and be a full time teacher.

TBH, for a training contract alternative with that sort of pay,..that sounds pretty OK.