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Variation of Payment (Non-Resident Father, Child Overseas)
Alias_Omega
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(asking for my wife)
Were overseas in the armed forces, my wife has a child from a previous relationship. Wifes daughter father pays CSA payments through the CSA of about £150 a month. This equates to about 165 euro a month.
We have been having payment troubles with her father, to the point that he cancelled the direct debit in Jan which has led a backlog of monies owed out to my wife, not really a big problem but if your owed it, you should be paid it. We have had to chase the CSA for the payments and now it might be all back on track. Then we find another problem.
Her father has been asking about 'variation to child maintenance', as to recover some of the costs to travel here. Initially we were a little worried about this, as we have never heard of it. We read somewhere on here that £15 would be issued as a 1x payment per trip. Not very good.
We then emailed her father, and offered him £150 twice a year towards air-fare, to pick him up from the airport and take him back, and to also accomdate him in either the spare bunk of her bed, or to even pitch a tent in our gardens. We decided on the £150 as we could find many a return flight with easyjet/jet2 for well under £120-140. We even offered him the use of our car during his stay, and to eat with us. So a fair offer.
He kindly refused this offer, and now has proceeded to tell us that his flights are £320, and he wants accomodation of £132 booking, plus car hire.
Both family members and work colleages have questioned ourselves on why we have offered this to him, but we understand that we did take her away out of the country, so we should bare some of the costs to make the contact again. Sometimes we feel that we have not offered enough.
We have not taken her out of the country alone, she has a little brother & mummy has a bump due in about 18 weeks. So she is the eldest of 3, and we did not want to break the family up.
Mrs Alias_Omega now worries about this 'Varitaion to CSA Payments' thing, and what can happen. We did have a look on the CSA website, but absolutely no luck in calculating costs etc.
What is the worst that can happen.?
Regards,
Alias for Mrs Alias
Were overseas in the armed forces, my wife has a child from a previous relationship. Wifes daughter father pays CSA payments through the CSA of about £150 a month. This equates to about 165 euro a month.
We have been having payment troubles with her father, to the point that he cancelled the direct debit in Jan which has led a backlog of monies owed out to my wife, not really a big problem but if your owed it, you should be paid it. We have had to chase the CSA for the payments and now it might be all back on track. Then we find another problem.
Her father has been asking about 'variation to child maintenance', as to recover some of the costs to travel here. Initially we were a little worried about this, as we have never heard of it. We read somewhere on here that £15 would be issued as a 1x payment per trip. Not very good.
We then emailed her father, and offered him £150 twice a year towards air-fare, to pick him up from the airport and take him back, and to also accomdate him in either the spare bunk of her bed, or to even pitch a tent in our gardens. We decided on the £150 as we could find many a return flight with easyjet/jet2 for well under £120-140. We even offered him the use of our car during his stay, and to eat with us. So a fair offer.
He kindly refused this offer, and now has proceeded to tell us that his flights are £320, and he wants accomodation of £132 booking, plus car hire.
Both family members and work colleages have questioned ourselves on why we have offered this to him, but we understand that we did take her away out of the country, so we should bare some of the costs to make the contact again. Sometimes we feel that we have not offered enough.
We have not taken her out of the country alone, she has a little brother & mummy has a bump due in about 18 weeks. So she is the eldest of 3, and we did not want to break the family up.
Mrs Alias_Omega now worries about this 'Varitaion to CSA Payments' thing, and what can happen. We did have a look on the CSA website, but absolutely no luck in calculating costs etc.
What is the worst that can happen.?
Regards,
Alias for Mrs Alias
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I think the worst has already happened! It must be every genuine NRPs worst nightmare when the PWC relocates with the child/ren.
There are some on here who will have sound advice about variation and the CSA am sure they will be along soon to give some advice.
You must not forget that even though you are both trying to be as accomodating as possible, it just might be a little awkward for the NRP to take up your offer.
It is a little sad when this kinda thing happens to the NRP, he is expected to pay child support but where was his equal rights as a father to have a say where his child/ren live??
Hopefully it can all be resolved with everyone's interest at heart.
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You live outside the UK your Choice
Father no longer needs to pay as the CSA only get involved for children who are UK resident.:beer: I've paid the CSA off and stopped them taking payments:beer:
I'm stillowed some arrears by my ex :mad:
I was a NRP, now I'm a PWC, partner of a PWC, and parent of a PWC ( and very confused at times )0 -
Honest_broker07 wrote: »You live outside the UK your Choice
Father no longer needs to pay as the CSA only get involved for children who are UK resident.
CSA has to be paid.
I can see where this thread is going to go, its going to turn into an
"bash the person who took a daughter away from her father, even though she now has 2 siblings, though her mum was a single parent when we met on income support, and were now married with 2 extra children. But again no-one is allowed to move on with there lives"...thread0 -
sorry alias, but you have no csa case.
for a case to exist, the pwc and QC have to be resident in the uk. period.
so, basically, although you are doing your best to accomodate the nrp, which is very honourable, the fact remains that legally, he isn't required to pay a penny.
the alternative is REMO, but that would depend on the country you reside in, amongst other things.NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT. THEY'LL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.
and, please. only thank when appropriate. not to boost idiots egos.0 -
Alias_Omega wrote: »CSA has to be paid.
I can see where this thread is going to go, its going to turn into an
"bash the person who took a daughter away from her father, even though she now has 2 siblings, though her mum was a single parent when we met on income support, and were now married with 2 extra children. But again no-one is allowed to move on with there lives"...thread
just to add.
you have posted on a public forum and there's a good chance that is exactly where this thread will go.NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT. THEY'LL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.
and, please. only thank when appropriate. not to boost idiots egos.0 -
Honest_broker07 wrote: »You live outside the UK your Choice
Father no longer needs to pay as the CSA only get involved for children who are UK resident.sorry alias, but you have no csa case.
for a case to exist, the pwc and QC have to be resident in the uk. period.
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Yes, CSA payment are made, see here -->
http://www.csa.gov.uk/en/setup/parents-living-abroad.asp
(bulletin point 2)
Thankyou for your responses any how.
Regards,
Alias0 -
Alias_Omega wrote: »CSA has to be paid.
I can see where this thread is going to go, its going to turn into an
"bash the person who took a daughter away from her father, even though she now has 2 siblings, though her mum was a single parent when we met on income support, and were now married with 2 extra children. But again no-one is allowed to move on with there lives"...thread
Alias Omega everyone has a right to move on with their lives but when children are involved then I believe that two parents owe it to the child to make that move with the best interest and needs of the child , not what one parent wants!! If it was discussed with all involved then you would say that it was fair, your a dad, would you think it was right if your children were took away from you were access was a problem?
We can all be selfish with our own needs but its not about us, its about the children, If it works then great but if it doesn't then it wont be an easy ride for all concerned.0 -
hi chris,
No need to worry, he gave his verbal concent for her to move overseas with us.
This type of thread always turns into a bashing thread, maybe its because its the NRP's that are always trolling the section. We were just asking for advice.
Alias0 -
The Child Support Agency can usually only deal with an application for child maintenance when both parents and the child live in the UK.
The only exceptions to this are when the non-resident parent:- is working abroad in the service of the crown, for example, is a civil servant or works within Her Majesty's diplomatic service or within Her Majesty's overseas civil service
- is a member of the Armed Forces
- works abroad for a UK based company, for example, it employs people to work outside the UK but makes payments via a UK payroll; and the company is registered under the Companies Act 1985 (England, Wales and Scotland) or the Companies (Northern Ireland) Order 1986
- works abroad on secondment for a prescribed body, for example, from an NHS trust, regional health authority, primary care trust or local authority.
the exceptions are for NRP
if the NRP is also in foreign parts CSA still won't apply:beer: I've paid the CSA off and stopped them taking payments:beer:
I'm stillowed some arrears by my ex :mad:
I was a NRP, now I'm a PWC, partner of a PWC, and parent of a PWC ( and very confused at times )0 -
BTW if the NRP is in say the army and you live abroad CSA still won't be involved:beer: I've paid the CSA off and stopped them taking payments:beer:
I'm stillowed some arrears by my ex :mad:
I was a NRP, now I'm a PWC, partner of a PWC, and parent of a PWC ( and very confused at times )0
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