Has anyone used Virgin Media Security software, and is it worth having?

23n1th

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Yours, is the point of view of a troglodyte, you can't turn the world back to the DOS internet. Microsoft with all of its faults and cost to the end user has enabled 99% of the world to access the interwibble.

Talk about over reaction! When in my post about the flawed security of windows did I mention turning the world back? When did "the DOS internet" exist? Are you reading this thread? I do seem to recall a time when m$ decided that the internet would never catch on calling it basically a fad:

"The Internet? We are not interested in it" -- Bill Gates, 1993

Linux with its cost free solution is carp to the average end user and the world doesn't want it / use it. Get it through your head no one other than the odd small user group wants Linux. If people wanted its free service they would embrace it and the virii writers would switch their attention to the Linux user. As it stands at the moment .. .. and for the last 20 or more years no one [ % ] in the world uses Linux so why would and self respecting script kiddie write virii for it ?

Why are you talking about linux? This is a thread about Virgin security on windows. No one mentioned linux. Are you sure you're reading this thread?

But since you bought it up. Everyone uses linux in one form or another whether they know it or not, so do you, from set to boxes to modems to routers the list could go on. Whilst most home users dont use it for their personal computers the 90% of the servers that make up the internet do. Movie makers use linux farms to make films like shrek to name one. The list could go on.

- "" plethora of security layers "" I don't have a plethora of security layers
- a couple of months ago MSE [ free ] was up there with the [ paid for ] KIS, now its near the bottom
- next month MSE may be nearer the top again, its just the way it is

I've already viewed the AV comparatives and am sticking with Avast, arguably the best and fastest free AV solution. The layered approach to security is the best. Firewall, AV, AS, AM, HIPs, browser security/privacy, etc, etc. You probably do have a layered approach, but dont want to admit it cos that would mean agreeing with me.;)

If Sainsburys and ASDA did not have price wars we would be paying 3 or 4 times the price for food.
If Microsoft [ and others ] did not have free AV products we would all be paying £300pa or more for Symantec etc.

You seem to be arguing a point that was never bought up, like most of your post/rant. Very very weird. Who are you arguing with?:p

If Microsoft Windows [ with its faults ] had not been invented we would not as we understand it have :

- computers
- internet
- games
- mp3 music
- online video content
- video calls
- etc

I forgot M$ invented everything.

Hang on... didn't IBM/apple invent the first modern day computers? Didn't m$ kinda steal their first OS to run on an IBM computer. I'm pretty sure m$ didn't invent the internet seeing as they weren't interested in it (mentioned above), Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee anyone? Games were around before windows my dear fellow, running I believe on unix mainframes at universities. Pretty sure the mp3 format officially started in 1987, where the Fraunhofer Institute in Germany launched the research for a compressed audio format, primarily for use in digital TV broadcasting, but I could be wrong. Is m$ behind all online video content? They have a lot of time on their hands!!! Unless you mean the format? In which case I'm sure adobe might have something to say in this area. Are you saying m$ are behind web standards as well??? This is an interesting read on video conferencing: http://www.ehow.com/about_5384414_did-video-conferencing-start.html And I'm more than sure, without the help of a google search, the m$ didn't invent "etc":rotfl:. Silly Richie-Boro

If Linux had not been invented no one [ % ] in the world would even have noticed.

By that very logic dear boy "no one [%] in the world would even have noticed" if window hadn't been bas-tardised from stolen ideas ("invented").

Nice speak Richie-Boro.:cool:

aliEnRIK

here we go again............

23n1th

aliEnRIK wrote: »

here we go again............

It does seem that way however as the school kids say I didn't start it.

Simply made some observations about the topic and Richie-Boro's comment. I wasn't even being antagonistic.

Richie-from-the-Boro

23n1th wrote: »

It does seem that way however as the school kids say I didn't start it.

Simply made some observations about the topic and Richie-Boro's comment. I wasn't even being antagonistic.

Your motivation for the content of your post was clear.

Lets have a look at the chronology :

- the thread was dead in March this year
- the thread was rejuvenated by Thoggie Today at 11:42 AM
- you dredged up my post from 31-03-2010 at 1:54 PM
- today, 6:18 PM you said "" I didn't start it ""
- you did start it .. .. see the chronological evidence above

You posted your comment quoting me, you brought me back into a dead thread by quoting me. Simple as I can for your understanding, don't use my posts / quotes !, you have a zeal and enthusiasm for your bias but leave me out of your crusades my friend, that way I don't need to bother you do I ?

Thank you for your understanding 23n1th, I do hope the above meets with your approval.

23n1th

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Your motivation for the content of your post was clear.

What motivation was that? Certainly not clear to me and I posted it:eek:!

Lets have a look at the chronology :

- the thread was dead in March this year Cool didn't notice, not sure of the relevance.
- the thread was rejuvenated by Thoggie Today at 11:42 AM Cool didn't notice, not sure of the relevance.
- you dredged up my post from 31-03-2010 at 1:54 PM Due to above all I was aware of doing was commenting on a false statement there was nothing malicious in this and no personal attack involved.
- today, 6:18 PM you said "" I didn't start it "" You are correct well done
- you did start it .. .. see the chronological evidence above I think maybe you're over reacting as usual. Just commenting on a statement which was obviously wrong was all, and posting an interesting article as well.

You posted your comment quoting me, you brought me back into a dead thread by quoting me. Simple as I can for your understanding, don't use my posts / quotes !, you have a zeal and enthusiasm for your bias but leave me out of your crusades my friend, that way I don't need to bother you do I ?

You do have the knack for the overly dramatic, this is a discussion forum fella, maybe next time you can let us know if we are allowed to disagree with you so you wont get your knickers in a twist about it.

I have yet to find out what bias you are talking about, or what crusade I'm supposedly on. Please enlighten me of what you are accusing me of.

Thank you for your understanding 23n1th, I do hope the above meets with your approval.

You are more than welcome my friend. As long as I find out the bias/crusade you're talking about, and the extra rules you've added to the forum rules in regards to you posts I will have nothing but approval for the above.

Always a pleasure Richie-Boro :cool:

debitcardmayhem

aliEnRIK wrote: »

here we go again............

The answer may be here :cool:

jayme1

Thoggie wrote: »

I installed this automatically during installation of my new 50meg modem. The next morning I had a constant tapping sound. I tried unplugging everything from the computer, checking the mouse and every keyboard key and the speakers. No dice.

Eventually, I decided to press control/alt/delete and stop every system process I safely could. I got all the way down to V and the problem was virginmedia hub.

Technical staff at Virginmedia first said that there was no such software (it is mentioned on their website!) and then put me through to people in their (Indian?) technical support centre. After three people going through the same script and saying I needed another department I gave up and uninstalled the software.

Bliss ever since.

really cause you dont get a virgin home hub with 50meg, you just get the modem and a router, therefore you dont need the home hub software. when you want to change settings in the router you do it through the web interface by typing in the 192.168.xx.xx number.

23n1th wrote: »

Really? To date they seem to be pretty poor at it. Maybe if they had security in mind when creating the OS's you wouldn't need the plethora of security layers you need to keep it safe.

sounds like you dont have a clue why this is or how the PC security world has evolved, lets take another major OS, say OS X just like it's windows counterpart you can be hacked the hell out of just by visiting a website (not clicking on anything in the website just simply by visiting it).

remember no OS is actually secure at all, the iphone OS (which is based directly on OS X is jailbroaken at every itteration, the droid X has a specific 'unhackable' lock in the OS to prevent rooting on the device and guess what? it got hacked!
the only thing that makes windows need added security is because it has about 90% of the home PC market, do you honnestly think that say OS X or linux had 90% share either would be as 'secure' as it is now?
security through obscurity is no security at all

now take your troll bait to a site that actually cares, you have been troll sprayed :cool:

23n1th

And another person talking about something that was never mentioned.:wall:

jayme1 wrote: »

sounds like you dont have a clue why this is or how the PC security world has evolved, ...

:think:Actually it sounds like you don't have a clue but don't let that stop you by any means.

... lets take another major OS, say OS X just like it's windows counterpart you can be hacked the hell out of just by visiting a website (not clicking on anything in the website just simply by visiting it).

It sounds like you have a browser insecurity on your mac and are too stupid to install security updates. And on a Mac if you're getting "hacked the hell out of" like you seem to be doing you're doing something wrong. For you I'd suggest the cure might be leaving the internet alone, you don't seem to be very good at it.;)

remember no OS is actually secure at all, the iphone OS (which is based directly on OS X is jailbroaken at every itteration, the droid X has a specific 'unhackable' lock in the OS to prevent rooting on the device and guess what? it got hacked!

I'll ignore the fact that you slightly changed the subject as being jailbroken is vastly different from being infected by viruses.

Nothing to date seems to be completely secure is true, however some things are easier than others. Windows is easy requiring nothing more than a script kiddie whereas what you're talking about takes time and intimate knowledge.

the only thing that makes windows need added security is because it has about 90% of the home PC market, do you honnestly think that say OS X or linux had 90% share either would be as 'secure' as it is now?
security through obscurity is no security at all

This argument doesn't work. Linux has about 90% of the server market, why? Because its more secure and stable.

Its easier to write malware for and to get it to run on windows its that simple. And this is directly related to the way windows is run by default. Its market share of the desktop market just makes it profitable because its so easy and so wide spread. If windows didn't have the market share it would still be an insecure os but no one would bother about it.

now take your troll bait to a site that actually cares, you have been troll sprayed :cool:

What are you talking about? Are you 12? By definition the only troll here is you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_Internet Silly Jay.

jayme1

sounds like you just have to 'say stuff to prevoke a response' (oh look the definition of a troll :P) in a thread that is about how good virgin medias free antivirus is. and also have to always provide the last word no matter how badly wrong you are to spew your mostly incorrect nonsense in order to prevoke responses.

and yes most 'hacks' are provided through added software (in particular adobe flash or reader), the OS X browser exploit was not patched for over a month the exploit was demoed but there was not a virus released to the wild using it, the PDF exploit (in safari) that was in iOS was used specifically to jailbreak the device and it did have some real world nasties in existance before it was patched, you are right in saying that non properly patched systems are most at risk, last years conficker virus used an exploit that was already patched by microsoft the month before it was realesed to the wild.

yes of course windows would be very insecure even if it had a low % share of the market but as I said why would a hacker write a virus for an OS that only makes up a small percentage of the consumer base, when they can write one for the other and can affect about 90% of the consumer PC market and even if there was a patch released some (to the sum of millions) wouldnt even bother to update their OS, therefore the hacker still has a significant chance of infecting systems. remember if windows and OS X were swaped market share then OS X would have the vast majority of the people who know nothing about computers and therefore dont patch their system.

so to sum yes you are a troll now go back to your troll cave or macrumors by the sounds of you, you would fit right in with their testosterone charged children fanboys.

23n1th

jayme1 wrote: »

sounds like you just have to 'say stuff to prevoke a response' (oh look the definition of a troll :P) in a thread that is about how good virgin medias free antivirus is. and also have to always provide the last word no matter how badly wrong you are to spew your mostly incorrect nonsense in order to prevoke responses.

No, as I've mentioned above I commented on the virgin media security my girlfriend had and just disagreed with richie that M$ know how to secure their own operating system. I then separately posted a link to a real news article which I found ridiculous about M$ passing the buck.

While I disagreed with richie (which I'm sure is allowed) it wasn't to provoke a response, it was to post my POV. The response I got hijacked the thread to its present state (in which somehow linux and mac osx has been brought up for no good reason) and random nonsensical personal attacks and accusations by both yourself and richie; which are unfounded.

Apparently I'm on some sort of crusade and have some mad bias towards something which isn't stated by myself (because I don't know what it is) or richie and am a troll for disagreeing with someone.:rotfl:

You have nothing to add to this thread and your only motivation in posting was to provoke me, troll.

and yes most 'hacks' are provided through added software (in particular adobe flash or reader), the OS X browser exploit was not patched for over a month the exploit was demoed but there was not a virus released to the wild using it, the PDF exploit (in safari) that was in iOS was used specifically to jailbreak the device and it did have some real world nasties in existance before it was patched, you are right in saying that non properly patched systems are most at risk, last years conficker virus used an exploit that was already patched by microsoft the month before it was realesed to the wild.

yes of course windows would be very insecure even if it had a low % share of the market but as I said why would a hacker write a virus for an OS that only makes up a small percentage of the consumer base, when they can write one for the other and can affect about 90% of the consumer PC market and even if there was a patch released some (to the sum of millions) wouldnt even bother to update their OS, therefore the hacker still has a significant chance of infecting systems. remember if windows and OS X were swaped market share then OS X would have the vast majority of the people who know nothing about computers and therefore dont patch their system.

How we got on to OSX and the iphone I dont know but what you say seems to make sense. However you previously stated the "only" reason for windows insecurity was its market share. And as I've stated its more to do with how windows is run by default ie as an administrator, market share or not.

I have no vast experience in OSX and dont want any at its price point but I would imagine that since it was originally based on BSD (arguably more secure than linux) it isn't run the same way so the ease at which windows is affected by viruses doesn't count for OSX. This of course is speculation since I don't use OSX.

The patching issue you bring up is also interesting and one I think points to the advantage of open source software as compared to propriety. And IMO is the reason why OSX gets hacked first at PWN2OWN mostly every year.

so to sum yes you are a troll now go back to your troll cave or macrumors by the sounds of you, you would fit right in with their testosterone charged children fanboys.

Why I would be at macrumours (or is it rumors?) cuddling up to the fanboys I don't know since I own neither a mac, iphone, or an ipod but hey-ho more nonsense accusations. :rotfl:

Jay its been memorable.:cool: