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Advice needed on a criminal matter
fluffymuffy
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A friend on this site has asked me to post the following ...
" Hello, you probably know me as I've got a few thousand posts on this forum, but I prefer to remain anonymous...
The week before last we went out for the day leaving DS (16) at home. He said he was going into town. When we got back he was distraught. But wouldn't tell us why. He's a studious boy - doing three science A levels.
The next day we got a call from the sixth form college - he had been out at the front of the college when some man (aged 20ish) had come up to him demanding money. This was witnessed by the security guard and they called the police - the man ran away, mostly because DS started bawling loudly.
OH went to the police station with DS and they took a statement. DS told them about that Sunday (the first we'd heard about this). He said that as he was walking through town two men walked up tom him and started walking along side him. They stayed with him walking around town and then made him go to the bus station. When there they told him they'd throw him down the steps if he didn't get them some drugs. DS called a school friend who sent a man round in a car and DS took some packets from the car and gave them to the men. The men also demanded money from him and took £10. The men then went away and DS sat there for a while not knowing what to do (we were miles away visiting MIL).
This is DS's story as he reported it to the police and I believe him completely as he's never told a lie in his life. The local police said it was robbery and so this was passed to the CID.
A week passed as the police checked the CCTV footage. The CID came round on Friday and told us to bring DS to the police station on Tuesday where he is to be arrested and charged with drug dealing. They said that the CCTV footage is exactly as DS described but without a soundtrack it simply shows DS getting drugs for some men. The men are well known to the police but will not face any charges.
They said that if DS admits the offence he will receive a police Reprimand. If it doesn't it will go to court - and there's no evidence for his side of the story, only that it was DS who brought it to their attention in the first place.
I don't know what to do. It seems easiest to get him to lie and own up to this even though he didn't do it. But then what if something else happens? He'd already have this on his file. Also it seems this will stay on his file for the whole of his life and will be searchable in any future CRB checks.
I don't know who to ask for advice about what to do. We've only got till Tuesday morning anyway. Is there anyone on here who might know what to do? It all seems so unfair."
" Hello, you probably know me as I've got a few thousand posts on this forum, but I prefer to remain anonymous...
The week before last we went out for the day leaving DS (16) at home. He said he was going into town. When we got back he was distraught. But wouldn't tell us why. He's a studious boy - doing three science A levels.
The next day we got a call from the sixth form college - he had been out at the front of the college when some man (aged 20ish) had come up to him demanding money. This was witnessed by the security guard and they called the police - the man ran away, mostly because DS started bawling loudly.
OH went to the police station with DS and they took a statement. DS told them about that Sunday (the first we'd heard about this). He said that as he was walking through town two men walked up tom him and started walking along side him. They stayed with him walking around town and then made him go to the bus station. When there they told him they'd throw him down the steps if he didn't get them some drugs. DS called a school friend who sent a man round in a car and DS took some packets from the car and gave them to the men. The men also demanded money from him and took £10. The men then went away and DS sat there for a while not knowing what to do (we were miles away visiting MIL).
This is DS's story as he reported it to the police and I believe him completely as he's never told a lie in his life. The local police said it was robbery and so this was passed to the CID.
A week passed as the police checked the CCTV footage. The CID came round on Friday and told us to bring DS to the police station on Tuesday where he is to be arrested and charged with drug dealing. They said that the CCTV footage is exactly as DS described but without a soundtrack it simply shows DS getting drugs for some men. The men are well known to the police but will not face any charges.
They said that if DS admits the offence he will receive a police Reprimand. If it doesn't it will go to court - and there's no evidence for his side of the story, only that it was DS who brought it to their attention in the first place.
I don't know what to do. It seems easiest to get him to lie and own up to this even though he didn't do it. But then what if something else happens? He'd already have this on his file. Also it seems this will stay on his file for the whole of his life and will be searchable in any future CRB checks.
I don't know who to ask for advice about what to do. We've only got till Tuesday morning anyway. Is there anyone on here who might know what to do? It all seems so unfair."
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I'm afraid I have no expertise in this area, but I urge you to see a solicitor on Monday.0
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totally agree with Counting Pennies - get proper advice on this - don't trust the police to deal with it in a 'fair' manner.
Don't say anything further about this without a solicitor sitting next to you/your son.They said that if DS admits the offence he will receive a police Reprimand.
- Don't!It seems easiest to get him to lie and own up to this even though he didn't do it.Bern :j0 -
Although I'm not saying he made the story up, I've never met a 16yr old who "never told a lie in his life".
Drugs are such a part of life for many young people whether their parents know it or not. Many don't choose it that way but sucumb to peer pressure.
I hope it works out OK.Do not allow the risk of failure to stop you trying!0 -
Do not accept a reprimand/caution. Demand this goes to court.
The [strike]Criminal Protection Society[/strike] Crown Prosecution Service will not take it to court as they'll likely lose on the balance of probabilities. Why would your son bring himself to notice if he was a drug dealer. It's !!!!!!!!. They're chasing a detection, don't give it to them on a platter.Starting Debt: ~£20,000 01/01/2009. DFD: 20/11/2009 :j
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What about the school friend he called. Could he be called as a defence witness as this was totally out or character, presumably he'd never asked for drugs before and he would have been in a panicked state when he phoned him?Accept your past without regret, handle your present with confidence and face your future without fear0
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fluffymuffy wrote: »A friend on this site has asked me to post the following ...
" Hello, you probably know me as I've got a few thousand posts on this forum, but I prefer to remain anonymous...
The week before last we went out for the day leaving DS (16) at home. He said he was going into town. When we got back he was distraught. But wouldn't tell us why. He's a studious boy - doing three science A levels.
The next day we got a call from the sixth form college - he had been out at the front of the college when some man (aged 20ish) had come up to him demanding money. This was witnessed by the security guard and they called the police - the man ran away, mostly because DS started bawling loudly.
OH went to the police station with DS and they took a statement. DS told them about that Sunday (the first we'd heard about this). He said that as he was walking through town two men walked up tom him and started walking along side him. They stayed with him walking around town and then made him go to the bus station. When there they told him they'd throw him down the steps if he didn't get them some drugs. DS called a school friend who sent a man round in a car and DS took some packets from the car and gave them to the men. The men also demanded money from him and took £10. The men then went away and DS sat there for a while not knowing what to do (we were miles away visiting MIL). Who was the school friend? why did the lad call this particular friend? Who was the man in the car?
This is DS's story as he reported it to the police and I believe him completely as he's never told a lie in his life. The local police said it was robbery and so this was passed to the CID.
A week passed as the police checked the CCTV footage. The CID came round on Friday and told us to bring DS to the police station on Tuesday where he is to be arrested and charged with drug dealing. They said that the CCTV footage is exactly as DS described but without a soundtrack it simply shows DS getting drugs for some men. The men are well known to the police but will not face any charges.
They said that if DS admits the offence he will receive a police Reprimand. If it doesn't it will go to court - and there's no evidence for his side of the story, only that it was DS who brought it to their attention in the first place.
I don't know what to do. It seems easiest to get him to lie and own up to this even though he didn't do it. But then what if something else happens? He'd already have this on his file. Also it seems this will stay on his file for the whole of his life and will be searchable in any future CRB checks.
I don't know who to ask for advice about what to do. We've only got till Tuesday morning anyway. Is there anyone on here who might know what to do? It all seems so unfair."
see, if the men said they wanted drugs, the lad could have just given him the tenner he had and went on his way.
If someone came upto me and said they wanted drugs, i'd either try to laugh it off and say "don't we all!", or if they scared me, i'd throw money at them and scarper.
If he phoned his friend, he could have also phoned one of his parents and just pretended he was phoning his friend as he would have had to give his location for the men in the car to turn up.
Doesn't look on him at all I'm afraid and agree with the others ~ a solicitor is needed ASAP.Tank fly boss walk jam nitty gritty...0 -
see, if the men said they wanted drugs, the lad could have just given him the tenner he had and went on his way.
If someone came upto me and said they wanted drugs, i'd either try to laugh it off and say "don't we all!", or if they scared me, i'd throw money at them and scarper.
If he phoned his friend, he could have also phoned one of his parents and just pretended he was phoning his friend as he would have had to give his location for the men in the car to turn up.
Doesn't look on him at all I'm afraid and agree with the others ~ a solicitor is needed ASAP.
No it doesn't look good. But the police didn't catch him. He went and told them all about it.I am the Cat who walks alone0 -
fluffymuffy wrote: »No it doesn't look good. But the police didn't catch him. He went and told them all about it.
Guilt?
Worried about what he'd done?
I'm not saying that's the situation, but maybe that's how it looks to the Police?
Do you know who the friend was who happened to know drug dealers?
I know some dodgy people from my past, but even now at the age of 34 I wouldn't know anyone to telephone, to sort people to come straight out to a location, to hand over drugs to some no marks.
Actually, why would the men just hand over drugs, to a kid who they don't know, to give to druggies?!
The whole thing doesn't make sense at all.Tank fly boss walk jam nitty gritty...0 -
When there they told him they'd throw him down the steps if he didn't get them some drugs. DS called a school friend who sent a man round in a car and DS took some packets from the car and gave them to the men.
I find this rather confusing why on earth would some random blokes pick him out of anyone and ask for drugs ? and how on earth did your son know of anyone who could bring some to them, I wouldnt have a clue as to who to ring if someone asked me the same, I am not saying your son is lying however this seems a bit far fetched !!!
I would also say contact a solicitor asap.
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