Answer: "5 more years of Gordon Brown"

peterg1965

I notice Ms Estelle has gone, probably returned to her Union meeting with her socialist brothers and sistas.

Spartacus_Mills

bambam101 wrote: »

Having lived though the tories 1979 - 1997 and Labour 1997 till present day i'd have a Labour government any day of the week.

I wouldn't. I would rather have a government with a Lib Dem flavour.

The difference between the two you cite is the Tories inherited a mess from Labour and had to clear it up. Labour inherited a growing economy and screwed it up.

Spartacus_Mills

peterg1965 wrote: »

I notice Ms Estelle has gone, probably returned to her Union meeting with her socialist brothers and sistas.

Probably dutifully astroturfing the same b*ll*x across a whole range of web sites.

michaels

I agree - luckily for ms 'communications executive', I am sure her skills will be in demand come May whichever party is in power and with neither scruppes nor morals she will be able to write inflamatory drivel for who ever pays the best.

:beer:

'respect (to quote another political press campaign which allows party political adverts to run as 'public information' infomercials - e.g see ASA adjudication today re 'on the beat' definition)

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Crikey, I see Labour's astroturfing unit has run out of humans and is using chimps.

Linton

abaxas wrote: »

So let me get this right.

You are pro...

Higher unemployment
Higher tax
Lower pensions
Worse NHS

What a nice bloke/lass you are.

You obviously are too young to remember the Tory years...

Even after the world slump the current unemployment rate is lower than it was during most of the years 1979-1997

State pension is higher in real terms.

Tax rates are much the same.

By any measure you like, including the views of the people who have used it, the NHS provides a better service than it did.

When Labour came into power in 1997, they had a clear program - people knew what they were voting for. What are the conservative policies? End the ban on foxhunting and remove inheritance tax for many richer people! No wonder the masses arent marching in the streets waving blue flags.

Really2

Linton wrote: »

Tax rates are much the same.

Are they? So the tax burden has not really gone up?
Also how is the deficit going to be paid back or will any tax increase after the Election be the conservatives fault if they get in?

Also what was the state of the economy and country before 1979?

Generali

Linton wrote: »

You obviously are too young to remember the Tory years...

Even after the world slump the current unemployment rate is lower than it was during most of the years 1979-1997

State pension is higher in real terms.

Tax rates are much the same.

By any measure you like, including the views of the people who have used it, the NHS provides a better service than it did.

When Labour came into power in 1997, they had a clear program - people knew what they were voting for. What are the conservative policies? End the ban on foxhunting and remove inheritance tax for many richer people! No wonder the masses arent marching in the streets waving blue flags.

State Pension is exactly the same in real terms as it was under the Tories. Mrs Thatcher's Government broke the link between pensions and wages and ever since then the pension has risen by inflation. Labour didn't change that in 13 years in power.

The Government spent about 38% of GDP under Mr Major, it now spends about 52.5% of GDP:eek:

Taxes have risen substantially, borrowing has risen roughly 30x (excluding unfunded liabilities such as the bank bailout and civil service pensions).

Why would the Tories announce all their policies prior to an election being called? One of the few political advantages of being HM Opposition is you don't have to announce what you would do until the last moment. Labour did the same thing (rightly IMO) in 1997.

abaxas

Linton wrote: »

You obviously are too young to remember the Tory years...

Even after the world slump the current unemployment rate is lower than it was during most of the years 1979-1997

State pension is higher in real terms.

Tax rates are much the same.

By any measure you like, including the views of the people who have used it, the NHS provides a better service than it did.

When Labour came into power in 1997, they had a clear program - people knew what they were voting for. What are the conservative policies? End the ban on foxhunting and remove inheritance tax for many richer people! No wonder the masses arent marching in the streets waving blue flags.

"Tax rates are much the same."

Got to laugh at that one, dont look at the headline, look at taxes behind them.

"By any measure you like, including the views of the people who have used it, the NHS provides a better service than it did."

That statement means nothing. When is 'did'? It appears we are now paying 3x the amount, since 1997, for a degraded service. Where does that money get to? Maybe if you have worked in the NHS you would understand, but sadly most dont, so have no idea of the massive wastage.

"State pension is higher in real terms."

That is becasue of the change in 'inflation' measure.

"Even after the world slump the current unemployment rate is lower than it was during most of the years 1979-1997"

Take a look at the 'economically inactive' numbers and weep.

Thrugelmir

Even after the world slump the current unemployment rate is lower than it was during most of the years 1979-1997

I notice that no one in the Labour party mentions the world of part time employment that many are forced to take in the absence of full time jobs.

Guess it takes the gloss off headline numbers.

abaxas

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I notice that no one in the Labour party mentions the world of part time employment that many are forced to take in the absence of full time jobs.

Guess it takes the gloss off headline numbers.

I agree,

The tories corrupted the numbers, but since then, labour has done more of the same.

Maybe we need some kind of measure that actually measures something.