I Just Bought! 32" LCD TV £329 - 1080p Samsung

irace

I was looking for an LCD TV and I saw loads of threads on here where people find a 32" TV for an OK price but it was always a 720p also there are a lot of UGLY looking lcd tvs about... I wanted a good/newer looking lcd AND 1080p resolution.
Top of the list, it had to be Samsung or LG as I cringe at the idea of owning a Sharp, Technika or Bush amongst others.... :silenced:

I think I've found the best here to answer/update the "CHEAPEST 32" LCD TV" threads...

Samsung LE32B530
32" LCD TV
It has the best HD specification you can get - 1080P.
Built in freeview / TV guide.
3 HDMI ports (Made use by PS3 / SkyTV / PC combo)
1 PC VGA (15pin) Monitor port
1 Scart

£329 inc free delivery from PRC Direct (dont think im allowed to post a link)

3 HDMI ports are enough, the only things that connect using HDMI are...

1. PlayStation3 / Xbox
2. Blue-Ray Player
3. PC (If you're lucky enough to own such a high spec PC)
4. SkyHD Box

...and I don't know anyone who has all 4 of those as PlayStation3's have built in Blue-Ray players anyway!
1 PC port is perfect - nobody i know uses 2 pc's on one screen? lol
1 Scart is fine if you still use the old vhs or dvd things lol.

It's also lightweight 11.8kg so you can move it around really easily. I picked up a friends 32" TV the other day and it weighed more than twice as much i swear!
It's also one of the newer looking Samsung models as it has the posh looking clear/red strip on the bottom of the screen...
I'm guessing its like a car spoiler for a TV? lol

So what makes a TV better than this one? Not a lot really unless you are interested in the hertz. This is 50Hz and can also run 60Hz but you will pay a lot more for 100Hz and won't see the difference until you see 200Hz or more. That is where you pay A LOT more money.

Anyway top of the range 32" LCD TV for £329 - someone beat me

aliEnRIK

irace wrote: »

So what makes a TV better than this one? Not a lot really unless you are interested in the hertz. This is 50Hz and can also run 60Hz but you will pay a lot more for 100Hz and won't see the difference until you see 200Hz or more. That is where you pay A LOT more money.

So what 'difference' would you see with a higher Hz tv?

irace

Hz is how often the screen is refreshed - there are 2 main things you need to look at:

1. Fast moving sport - a good example would be tennis as a small ball moves very fast on the screen.
2. Blue-Ray movies - they are filmed in 24p.
50Hz TVs (like this one) have a built in coverter so they can translate into 60Hz
100Hz TVs convert to 120Hz (and so on with more Hz...)
This means 120Hz compatible models display each frame 5 times (120 divided by 24)
Whereas 60Hz models WOULD display 2.5 times but it can't display half a frame so instead one frame 3 times and the the next frame 2 times.

I doubt you'll find a TV this spec at 100Hz for less than £450 maybe even £500... nearly doubling the price. By all means though, go in a shop and see a 50Hz next to a 200Hz and the difference is clear!

But also when you go into a shop beware that they could setup the screen on surplus models to look better so they can sell more...
A common way they do this is by turning 'dynamic mode' on or off depending on wether they need to sell more of this tv or not.

aliEnRIK

irace wrote: »

Hz is how often the screen is refreshed - there are 2 main things you need to look at:

1. Fast moving sport - a good example would be tennis as a small ball moves very fast on the screen.

Due to the way programs are recorded and/or converted theres really very little that can be done about tennis balls and golf balls until recording techniques get better. Most modern tvs have some form of 'frame interpolation' (sonys 'motionflow' for example), but this makes a total mess of some film as the pictures 'smear' into one another which looks a complete mess.

irace wrote: »

2. Blue-Ray movies - they are filmed in 24p.
50Hz TVs (like this one) have a built in coverter so they can translate into 60Hz
100Hz TVs convert to 120Hz (and so on with more Hz...)
This means 120Hz compatible models display each frame 5 times (120 divided by 24)
Whereas 60Hz models WOULD display 2.5 times but it can't display half a frame so instead one frame 3 times and the the next frame 2 times.

Most tvs these days would display a 24Hz picture at 72Hz (Simply so that theres no conversion process which makes for 'jumping' pictures)

Tvs dont convert into 60Hz at all. They display 50Hz material at 50 or 100 or 200hz (Theres no such thing as 600Hz at the moment regardless of the BS they try and tell you)
NTSC signals are displayed at 60Hz

None of this means anything if they cant 'fill in the gaps' well (meaning a 100Hz tv can easily look worse than a 50Hz one)

Whats a LOT more important is the 'pulldown' (the ability to read the framerates that have been converted into 50 or 60Hz and displayed as they should be)

irace wrote: »

By all means though, go in a shop and see a 50Hz next to a 200Hz and the difference is clear!

Its really not, the only thing that makes a serious difference is the above mentioned 'motionflow' or similar

spaceman5

irace wrote: »

Hz is how often the screen is refreshed - there are 2 main things you need to look at:

1. Fast moving sport - a good example would be tennis as a small ball moves very fast on the screen.
2. Blue-Ray movies - they are filmed in 24p.
50Hz TVs (like this one) have a built in coverter so they can translate into 60Hz
100Hz TVs convert to 120Hz (and so on with more Hz...)
This means 120Hz compatible models display each frame 5 times (120 divided by 24)
Whereas 60Hz models WOULD display 2.5 times but it can't display half a frame so instead one frame 3 times and the the next frame 2 times.

I doubt you'll find a TV this spec at 100Hz for less than £450 maybe even £500... nearly doubling the price. By all means though, go in a shop and see a 50Hz next to a 200Hz and the difference is clear!

But also when you go into a shop beware that they could setup the screen on surplus models to look better so they can sell more...
A common way they do this is by turning 'dynamic mode' on or off depending on wether they need to sell more of this tv or not.

i would look around before makinh sweeping statements like that, i just got a sony kdl37w5500 for £399, which is a) 100Hz, b) bigger, c) better spec:p;)

woody01

You are obviously very hung up on '1080P' when there really isn't any great benefit.

We have a 1080P 32" LCD Samsung in our bedroom and a 1080i 42" Samsung Plasma in the living room.

The 42" Plasma is far superior quality and a much better picture.

penrhyn

Methinks OP has a touch of the cognitive dissonance.

custardy

irace wrote: »

I was looking for an LCD TV and I saw loads of threads on here where people find a 32" TV for an OK price but it was always a 720p also there are a lot of UGLY looking lcd tvs about... I wanted a good/newer looking lcd AND 1080p resolution.
Top of the list, it had to be Samsung or LG as I cringe at the idea of owning a Sharp, Technika or Bush amongst others.... :silenced:

I think I've found the best here to answer/update the "CHEAPEST 32" LCD TV" threads...

Samsung LE32B530
32" LCD TV
It has the best HD specification you can get - 1080P.
Built in freeview / TV guide.
3 HDMI ports (Made use by PS3 / SkyTV / PC combo)
1 PC VGA (15pin) Monitor port
1 Scart

£329 inc free delivery from PRC Direct (dont think im allowed to post a link)

3 HDMI ports are enough, the only things that connect using HDMI are...

1. PlayStation3 / Xbox
2. Blue-Ray Player
3. PC (If you're lucky enough to own such a high spec PC)
4. SkyHD Box

really?
so no media tanks like popcorn hour?
so how are my speakers hooked up?
you say 3 are enough ,yet list 5 things.........

Inactive

irace wrote: »

I was looking for an LCD TV and I saw loads of threads on here where people find a 32" TV for an OK price but it was always a 720p also there are a lot of UGLY looking lcd tvs about... I wanted a good/newer looking lcd AND 1080p resolution.
Top of the list, it had to be Samsung or LG as I cringe at the idea of owning a Sharp, Technika or Bush amongst others.... :silenced:

Sharp are an excellent Japanese based company.

I have yet to see anything from Samsung that impresses me.

irace

spaceman5 wrote: »

i would look around before makinh sweeping statements like that, i just got a sony kdl37w5500 for £399

not bad where was that from??

Custardy -
All I was saying is that it's very rare for someone to own ALL of those things and use them on the same TV!

aliEnRIK -
Sure recording techniques need to be better but a higher Hz will still make that specific type of viewing better.
But yeah i wasn't sure of the right word to use instead of convert - what is it called when you go from 50 - 60Hz then?
All I can say about 200Hz TV's is the 50 odd inch Panasonic LED i saw in Currys! Looked amazing!

So no one thinks this is the best deal for £330?

redux

you can't get a better view of a fast moving item on the screen by having a faster screen refresh rate

what counts is how the signal was broadcast, and you can't get your picture to go faster than the original frame rate - which on old analogue signals was actually 25 Hz with alternate lines interlaced, odd then even numbers

my understanding is that while high definition TV has more picture elements (obviously), broadcast frame rates are still in the same sort of range, so you aren't going to get better time resolution