Advice wanted - don't want to commit fraud

Blackpool_Saver

write to both depts and tell them

dreamylittledream

Vader123 wrote: »

First question, why is someone staying over (presumably eating, keeping warm, showering, water, electric gas) get to do that without making a contribution?

<curious> Do you pay a contribution if you stay at a friends house on occasion? Or do you demand money for anyone to spend a night at your house and 'uses' the facilities? </curious>

The amount of ridiculous scare mongering about the LTAHW rules that goes on here is bewildering.

For the record spending a night or two around a girl/boyfriends house does not consitute a partnership in benefit terms or a LTAHW situation - to suggest otherwise is to completley misrepresent and misunderstand the guidance.

jamespir

Vader123 wrote: »

First question, why is someone staying over (presumably eating, keeping warm, showering, water, electric gas) get to do that without making a contribution?

so do you charge one night stands then? :rotfl:

missmontana

Vader123 wrote: »

First question, why is someone staying over (presumably eating, keeping warm, showering, water, electric gas) get to do that without making a contribution?


Vader

Ok, it might cost a couple of quid with an extra mouth to feed, but as for all the other costs, they might actually be less, cos they may share a bath, they have each other to keep warm with, then have an early night which will save on the electric!!!

hippy-chicy

moomoomama27 wrote: »

It's not worth the risk! While there are no written rules, in the eyes on the DWP you are comitting a fraud by claiming as a single person while living with someone. If it was a one or very occasionally, then it's fine, but if it's 2 days every week, or a regular basis, then it's a big no-no.

This isn't right, its not soley about the number of nights spent together. My partner stays at mine three sometimes four nights a week and we certainly dont live together. He has a home elsewhere we pay our own bills all our finances are separate. Yes we split the food bill if we go for dinner and we will each pay soley for the odd night out. We will help each other out if needed. But he lives elsewhere, thats where all his belongs are ( apart from a second toothbrush and some toiletries) Its no different if you are on benefits. I dont ask him to pay towards any of my bills for staying at mine and visa versa.

I have to agree with dreamylittledream on this one. Its such a grey area and so much is taken into account when assessing if someone is living together. Its about looking at the BIGGER picture and not just certain aspects.

Vader123

dreamylittledream wrote: »

<curious> Do you pay a contribution if you stay at a friends house on occasion? Or do you demand money for anyone to spend a night at your house and 'uses' the facilities? </curious>

Of course not! But I do not rely on the state to pay a)my income b) my rent c) remove me from council tax.

So who comes and stays at my house is my business and no one elses.

With single IS claims, the claimant is asking for intervention in their lives as they have children yet no one to support them as a family unit. The state then steps in to provide this, on the basis that the circumstances are true.

If then a partner starts to become involved in the family unit (staying over, eating etc etc) the state is still intervening yet there is now a question mark over the unit and status of being "single".

The amount of ridiculous scare mongering about the LTAHW rules that goes on here is bewildering.

There are frequent posts on here where these people have been reported, had benfits stopped, and had all kind of issues as they are relying on the "set number of nights" myth.

For the record spending a night or two around a girl/boyfriends house does not consitute a partnership in benefit terms or a LTAHW situation - to suggest otherwise is to completley misrepresent and misunderstand the guidance.

Again I think we are getting bogged down with the "night or two" myth, which if you know the guidance, there is no set number of nights.

Vader

missmontana

So anyone on benefits is not allowed to have a relationship? Just because I am on benefits doesn't mean I am going to report my every move to the DWP!!! Its just ridiculous.
Some people think we ought to live our lives by these strict rules, just because if the situation we are in.
Its really starting to annoy me.

I don't see how a partner staying over and eating is supporting someone.

Kerry12345

missmontana wrote: »

So anyone on benefits is not allowed to have a relationship? Just because I am on benefits doesn't mean I am going to report my every move to the DWP!!! Its just ridiculous.
Some people think we ought to live our lives by these strict rules, just because if the situation we are in.
Its really starting to annoy me.

He who pays the piper, calls the tune. In other words, the state pay for you so they do get to tell you what the rules are and you have to abide by them - if you still want money from the state.

redkev76

Some really foolish replies on this thread to be honest. The OP is asking a perfectly reasonable question and clearly by asking it she wants to clarify her position and is not trying to defraud anyone or do anything illegal.

The idea that someone should ask a partner to contribute to the bills because they stay once or twice a week or that she should have to report the person staying over is completely ridiculous and I think that those of you that have suggested this are well aware of that fact and are deliberatly scare mongering.

It is clear from the OP's post that the person involved is not part of the 'family unit' at this stage. It's a shame that people come on here to ask a sensible question and get judged by some of you.

moomoomama27

hippy-chicy wrote: »

This isn't right, its not soley about the number of nights spent together. My partner stays at mine three sometimes four nights a week and we certainly dont live together. He has a home elsewhere we pay our own bills all our finances are separate. Yes we split the food bill if we go for dinner and we will each pay soley for the odd night out. We will help each other out if needed. But he lives elsewhere, thats where all his belongs are ( apart from a second toothbrush and some toiletries) Its no different if you are on benefits. I dont ask him to pay towards any of my bills for staying at mine and visa versa.

I have to agree with dreamylittledream on this one. Its such a grey area and so much is taken into account when assessing if someone is living together. Its about looking at the BIGGER picture and not just certain aspects.

With respect you are very wrong! While it's up to you what you do, please don't try and justify it as an acceptable act while claiming full benefits. Under the eyes of the law you are living with someone on a regular basis, which would mean, for the OP that she would lose her 25% CT occupancy allowance, as well as jealpordising IS.