!*!!*** CRB checks!

longhotbath

Hi - we employ students - 6th formers and degree level through my sons direct payments. We have gone through the ILA who help us with the paperwork, and we do out crb checks through them. We also have forms to opt out of crb checks if we feel comfortable with not doing them ( most of the people we emply hold over 6 ! crb checks), but I would always do them.

Can you go through the ILA?

Best wishes with the therapy, LHB

Oscar_The_Grouch

metalgal wrote: »

these checks are a waste of time and money. Not everyone is out to molest or hurt your children and if they will a check is not going to stop them. They may have abused hundreds of children and just not got caught so their check will come back clear. Will that make your child any safer?

I hate the way the world is that everyone who comes within 5 feet of a child needs checked. Its a load of paranoid nonsense. I am aware that there are some sick people in the world but they are only a tiny tiny percent of the population. The checks are pretty useless and offer only protection against convicted people. Not every abuser is caught.

Before anyone asks yes i do have child, and i still think its a load of crap.

I was trying to think of something smart or funny to say about your post, but I just didn't want to waste my time.

Let's just go with that lesson that we were all taught as children:

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.

Now if you would like to play nicely, please feel free to participate in the discussions on this forum in a polite and constructive manner.

daska

I just found out today that I'm going to have to any new carers CRB checked and haven't a clue about it. I was hoping that the local DIAL, being registered as an umbrella body, might be able to help but I'm concerned to hear about not being able to use an umbrella body other than a care agency - that more than doubles the cost and obviously halves the number of hours I can get! Was there an explanation of why?

I was planning to ask my Care Manager about it on Thursday, but I think I'm going to e-mail her tonight instead.

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metalgal wrote: »

these checks are a waste of time and money. Not everyone is out to molest or hurt your children and if they will a check is not going to stop them. They may have abused hundreds of children and just not got caught so their check will come back clear. Will that make your child any safer?

I hate the way the world is that everyone who comes within 5 feet of a child needs checked. Its a load of paranoid nonsense. I am aware that there are some sick people in the world but they are only a tiny tiny percent of the population. The checks are pretty useless and offer only protection against convicted people. Not every abuser is caught.

Before anyone asks yes i do have child, and i still think its a load of crap.

I`m sorry but your argument is flawed,at least a negative crb check will keep peados away from children,we should always be doing everything we possibly can to protect young people anything less isnt good enough

poet123

neiljc wrote: »

The university is a last hope really and it is not something the uni is meant to do so they may so no immediately.

eg we couldnt put vacancies on their official jobsite because we were individuals and couldnt prove ourselves trustworthy!

The students dont normally have a CRB, and their work with us is compl;etely independent of the Uni.

The umbrella companies that are approprite and that will do it are the care agencies and that is the sign on, pay our fee and keep paying us response we have had from them.

Metalgal , it might interest you to know that I deliver training on safeguarding for the county council , so I am perfectly aware of the limitations of CRB and the new VBS,

I have to say what an unhelpful, cynical and depressing post to put, it wasnt helpful or pleasant.

The CRB check is out of date immediately, by its nature, however it serves a number of purposes including a psychological and behaviour modification one that will complement the other things we would do as hopefully good parents

Another idea could be to get the students to volunteer at their local school for say one afternoon a week. Schools can get CRB's done for volunteers for £5.

Savvy_Sue

woodbine wrote: »

I`m sorry but your argument is flawed,at least a negative crb check will keep peados away from children,we should always be doing everything we possibly can to protect young people anything less isnt good enough

But they only keep those who have been convicted away!

For the OP, will these people ever work alone? I don't have a great deal of faith in CRB checks, certainly they're no substitute for 'best practice' and safe working, but if people work in pairs I would be a lot less 'twitchy' IYSWIM.

maria777_2

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

But they only keep those who have been convicted away!

Not correct. Enhanced CRBs which are the ones usually applied for to work with vulnerable adults or children can include information that police forces hold about people which may or may not have led to a conviction.
I have to say that I really disagree with your view that CRB checks are not necessary, I think we should do everything in our power to safeguard children.

maria777_2

neiljc wrote: »

Hi

I have spoken to the CRB and they say you cannot get them CRB checked, even through an umbrella organisation.

The only option is to go through a care agency

the ones we have spoken to will only do it if we put them on their books and the salary is then doubled, or another one will do it but only if we buy a package of other services that we will never need or use for £700.

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Just some ideas for you - have you thought about contacting organisations such as The National Autistic Society - they have schools so will have access to an umbrella body and may agree to do the checks for you if you pay?
Also - might be an idea to contact your local social services and ask to speak to someone in direct payments? I would imagine that there is a process whereby people on direct payments can access a CRB check and they may be able to put you in touch with an umbrella body on that basis.

I think its appalling that these care agencies are trying to take all this money from you!
I hope that you get it sorted and I hope that the therapy continues to go well.

Savvy_Sue

maria777 wrote: »

Not correct. Enhanced CRBs which are the ones usually applied for to work with vulnerable adults or children can include information that police forces hold about people which may or may not have led to a conviction.

True. However, even in a 'best case' scenario, they still don't magically keep away anyone who might be a threat to children: they only exclude anyone who has been found doing something which might indicate that they might be a threat to children. I feel that far too much faith is put upon the CRB system. Got a 'clean' CRB, you must be OK. No CRB, you must be 'dodgy'.

maria777 wrote: »

I have to say that I really disagree with your view that CRB checks are not necessary, I think we should do everything in our power to safeguard children.

Note that I did not say they were not necessary. However, in a situation where it's proving difficult to get CRBs done, I would look to ensure that all risks were minimised. And if we are doing everything in our power to safeguard children, we should not place undue reliance on CRB checks!

It's like an MOT for a car: you buy a second hand car, and it has nearly a year's MOT to run. That does NOT mean the car is safe or roadworthy: it means that ON THE DAY IT WAS TESTED, no faults were found that were sufficiently serious to cause it to fail the MOT. But many people would happily drive off because "it had a valid MOT." Sensible people - even non-mechanics - would also check the tyres NOW, check the lights were OK, check the handbrake hadn't fallen off etc etc etc.

I've had two CRB disclosure checks in the last six months. I'm no safer (nor more dangerous) than I was before I had them carried out. A responsible employer would take up references as well, and observe me with the child. And if it took a while for a new check to come through, or was proving difficult to get one done, they might allow me to start work under supervision. that's all I was suggesting, and the OP can decide for herself if that's a risk they're prepared to take under the circumstances.

daska

Had a chat with my Care Manager about these and until now the clients on Direct Payments and Personal Budgets been using an advocacy service to get CRB checks done. Come July the Council will (hopefully) have set up it's own service.

Perhaps a call to SS might be helpful.