Going on strike whilst on probation

Fridge3

Pete111 wrote: »

....and It might even still ring true if the last decade or so hadn't seen the biggest tranche of employment law ever implimented here in the UK to protect workers.

Mix that lot up with a sprinkle of no win no fee lawyers and Voila! Unions are past their sell by date,

.... and the fact the stewards run for the hills when asked for anything factual.

custardy

Pete111 wrote: »

....and It might even still ring true if the last decade or so hadn't seen the biggest tranche of employment law ever implimented here in the UK to protect workers.

Mix that lot up with a sprinkle of no win no fee lawyers and Voila! Unions are past their sell by date,

yup,nobody works in jobs where it is an environment where for example going off sick can cause you grief.not with all these rights

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/819173-chef-dies-after-27-straight-days-in-busy-london-kitchen

jdturk

custardy wrote: »

yup,nobody works in jobs where it is an environment where for example going off sick can cause you grief.not with all these rights

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/819173-chef-dies-after-27-straight-days-in-busy-london-kitchen

That link is very misleading, no where does it say he was pressurised to do those hours by the employer and jumping to assumptions doesn't help

custardy

jdturk wrote: »

That link is very misleading, no where does it say he was pressurised to do those hours by the employer and jumping to assumptions doesn't help

having worked as a chef for over 15 years i can tell you what the enviroment is like
i have seen staff physically brought from home when calling in sick
or spending weeks at the sharp end after having a day off
so you think being that ill his emplyers didnt notice he perhaps didnt look his best?

jdturk

custardy wrote: »

having worked as a chef for over 15 years i can tell you what the enviroment is like
i have seen staff physically brought from home when calling in sick
or spending weeks at the sharp end after having a day off
so you think being that ill his emplyers didnt notice he perhaps didnt look his best?

Maybe but you cannot lay the majority of the responsibility at the employers feet like that when there is nothing to indicate they did anything wrong, this is regardless of whether you were in that industry or not

bendix

Bollotom wrote: »

THEY CAME FIRST for the Tolpuddle Martyrs,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Tolpuddle Martyr.

THEN THEY CAME for the textile workers,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a textile worker.

THEN THEY CAME for the coal miners,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a coal miner.

THEN THEY CAME for the postal workers,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn't a postal worker.

THEN THEY CAME for the airline workers
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn't an airline worker.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up

What a load of sentimental twaddle. Does anyone in this day and age - with employment law firmly on the side of the employee - still believe such nonsense these days?

Back to the OP. I can't believe some of the advice he or she is getting here.

Let me state categorically. If I hired someone and they were on probation and they went on strike during that probation, the chances of them passing their probation would be roughly akin to a snowman's chances of surviving in Hell.

They would be out of the door at the earliest possible opportunity.

custardy

jdturk wrote: »

Maybe but you cannot lay the majority of the responsibility at the employers feet like that when there is nothing to indicate they did anything wrong, this is regardless of whether you were in that industry or not

well who's feet is it at?27 days working 14 hours a day is not an employer looking after its employees well being
its still a regular occurrence for chefs to work 15+ hours a day while paid for 8
staff often stop being paid at the closing time but if customers come in at that time the staff are expected to work on
i could go on,as a young chef i remember talk of how things would change in the industry
well you are talking 20 years later and yet nothing has changed
one of the first thing you will do in a catering job is sign the working time directive opt out

bendix

custardy wrote: »

well who's feet is it at?27 days working 14 hours a day is not an employer looking after its employees well being
its still a regular occurrence for chefs to work 15+ hours a day while paid for 8

Neither is an employee looking after himself.

I work in law. 18 hour days for some of our lawyers is the norm, particularly when the big deals are happening.

To tell them to go home would be folly. The work needs to be done and, besides, they just wouldn't go. There are some professions and industries where it is common knowledge when you go in that such hours are required.

If you don't like it, don't go into that industry.

custardy

bendix wrote: »

Neither is an employee looking after himself.

I work in law. 18 hour days for some of our lawyers is the norm, particularly when the big deals are happening.

To tell them to go home would be folly. The work needs to be done and, besides, they just wouldn't go. There are some professions and industries where it is common knowledge when you go in that such hours are required.

If you don't like it, don't go into that industry.

so now you are saying thats just the way it is? so we have all this employment law protecting everyone except those in industries where thats just how it is?

bendix

custardy wrote: »

so now you are saying thats just the way it is? so we have all this employment law protecting everyone except those in industries where thats just how it is?

I'm saying - if you bothered to read properly - that even if the law firm TOLD it's people to go home early, they wouldn't. They know what it takes to prosper in their CHOSEN profession.

All the law firms I have worked in bend over backwards to comply with ALL legislation. In fact, my firm goes way beyond what is required, by offering all sorts of work-life balance training, structures, flexible working etc, but you can't FORCE employees to go home if they have decided long hours are the norm and they want to be there doing the work.

It's called freedom of choice.

NOONE goes into a profession like law - and, I suspect, catering - expecting to work 9-5 hours, irrespective of employment legislation. If they do, they are in the wrong profession.